Prairie Dog Cartridge
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For those of You "stuck with" an old, .22-250 rem and the 1-14 Twist Barrel,..
I found that, a 50 grain, V-Max at .223 rem. "Hot Speeds" ( 3,400 to 3,550 FPS, MAX ! ) using, the "Correct" amount of, H-4895, with 50 grainers, in a 24" Braked Rifle, the Recoil ( Muzzle Jump ), is LOW Enough that, you can,..
"See the Fragg" in your Scope !
The 50 V-Max and 52 gr. ELD-M' s ARE very accurate Bullets, in 14 Twists !
I found that, a 50 grain, V-Max at .223 rem. "Hot Speeds" ( 3,400 to 3,550 FPS, MAX ! ) using, the "Correct" amount of, H-4895, with 50 grainers, in a 24" Braked Rifle, the Recoil ( Muzzle Jump ), is LOW Enough that, you can,..
"See the Fragg" in your Scope !
The 50 V-Max and 52 gr. ELD-M' s ARE very accurate Bullets, in 14 Twists !
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Went for many years, 223, 22-250, 243, only took the 243 one year, all other years the other two!!
By far the 223 is the most enjoyable to shoot all day!! My pick of bullets, 40 & 50 anything and H335 and A2230! 55's in the 22-250 any kind! If you want a real hoot, build an AR, medium heavy barrel and a decent trigger!! Doesn't need to cost a lot to have a different experience shooting, as apposed to a bolt gun! Wish you great fun!! Let us know results!!
By far the 223 is the most enjoyable to shoot all day!! My pick of bullets, 40 & 50 anything and H335 and A2230! 55's in the 22-250 any kind! If you want a real hoot, build an AR, medium heavy barrel and a decent trigger!! Doesn't need to cost a lot to have a different experience shooting, as apposed to a bolt gun! Wish you great fun!! Let us know results!!
I have been using the 223 with 40 gr V-Max or Nosler BT for decades now. IMO it is a near perfect PD cartridge - light recoil, good velocity, tons of readily available components, long barrel life and it gives good lift on the target. I do drive mine a bit faster though my loads give 3700 - 3750 fps.
drover
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Rick in Oregon
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drover, could not agree more for the reasons you stated.
The only 'improvement' over the 223 to me at least is the 223AI. Mine launches the Nosler 50gr BT's at the same speed my standard 223's do the 40's. Muy bueno PD and GS cartridge!
The only 'improvement' over the 223 to me at least is the 223AI. Mine launches the Nosler 50gr BT's at the same speed my standard 223's do the 40's. Muy bueno PD and GS cartridge!
drop_point
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I used to prairie dog hung a lot. My main rifles were a .17 HMR, .17 Ackley Hornet, .204 Ruger, and a 6.5-284. I would start close and work my way out. My favorites were the .17 Ackley because it never got hot, and the .204 Ruger because it was a laser beam. The 6.5-284 I just used for the longest shots.
If I were to do it again, I'd go with a .17 Ackley Hornet, a .20-.223 Rem or .20-.223 Rem Improved, and a 6mm BR of some variety.
The .17 Ackley Hornet is about as cheap to load for as factory HMR these days, and the .204" bullets are great, but .223 Rem brass is more available and of higher quality so I'd just neck a .223 Rem down.
If I were to do it again, I'd go with a .17 Ackley Hornet, a .20-.223 Rem or .20-.223 Rem Improved, and a 6mm BR of some variety.
The .17 Ackley Hornet is about as cheap to load for as factory HMR these days, and the .204" bullets are great, but .223 Rem brass is more available and of higher quality so I'd just neck a .223 Rem down.
Dan Hall
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The 20s are a great choice. 20 practical or 20 tactical. 40 grain 20 caliber bullet at about 4000 fps can’t be beat until the wind blows and then a good 6mm will take you the rest of the way. 6 ppc or 6 br. Skip the 17 HMR as it doesn’t have the explosive results the 20s have. Have fun…
“Dog a meter” and a 1/2 mile of Gorilla tape. Beautiful rig. Ha.
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Dear Jud96 , friend of mine would go prairie doggin , every spring or later. He did this very year , his battery of rifles was 2 Remington 700's or sako in Remington 222 caliber , 1000 for each rifle reloaded rounds, then his next in line was 2 Remington or Sako 221 fireball rifles , another one thousand reloaded rounds for each . Then one cooper 222 remington magnum , one 204 ruger, these was reloaded with 500 rounds each , then I think a 22 -250 and a Remington 243 caliber , four or
Five hundred yards not sure how many rounds for those caliber. Robert's reasoning for this so he would not frost the barrel. One would get pretty warm, then he would trade off and get another one and keep shooting . When Robert wasnt shooting ,he was cleaning rifles , then he wasnt shooting or cleaning , he was reloading ammo, because he stayed two weeks , and he had shot up all his loaded ammo . Robert , reloaded ammo, from the time he was back , till the time was close to leaving the following year again. I hope this helps. Buck.
JSH
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Your bench looks like the same thing I have. If that is gorilla tape you must have $200 in tape on there.
Whom ever decided black Naugahyde was a good material to cover the top with was no shooter. I promptly peeled the crap off of of mine and procured a chunk of indoor/outdoor carpet. Cartridges don’t roll off, nor bounce off if dropped.
I also found the top a bit short for me. Leaning over all hunched up for several hours gave me a bad back ache. I took some aluminum round stock, cut them 31/2” and bored for 1/4” bolts. Made a huge difference and added little weight. Also found it some what short and added 6” on to the front.
My stable is not quit as full as yours, but close. Mine are a far cry as good looking either. I like a heavy rig, so my choice was for chassis I could add weight too.
Whom ever decided black Naugahyde was a good material to cover the top with was no shooter. I promptly peeled the crap off of of mine and procured a chunk of indoor/outdoor carpet. Cartridges don’t roll off, nor bounce off if dropped.
I also found the top a bit short for me. Leaning over all hunched up for several hours gave me a bad back ache. I took some aluminum round stock, cut them 31/2” and bored for 1/4” bolts. Made a huge difference and added little weight. Also found it some what short and added 6” on to the front.
My stable is not quit as full as yours, but close. Mine are a far cry as good looking either. I like a heavy rig, so my choice was for chassis I could add weight too.
I was shocked to make it to the fourth or fifth page before mention of a 22BR. I purposely built one on a 23” this year (to run suppressed) with a 53 gr v-max dummy round… Brownells had the 53 and 40 gr v-maxes on sale for .17/bullet earlier this year and I majorly stocked up.. incredibly accurate but just finishing load development for 2025 hunts… also have a 20 or 21” (can’t remember) 22 ARC barrel on its way should be here in January for the longer shots… I have 1,000 62 eld-vt waiting for that one. My 22 CM carbon is a custom barrel and shoots the heavies extremely well but I went for heavy steel shilens on the 22BR and 22 ARC and will be proud when I shoot them out.. heavy varmint contour on both of them. I’ve also built a 18” 223 bolt gun for a suppressed truck gun and it loves the 53 gr v-max as well but the 40 v-max shoots almost as good and is much more ideal when you want it to blow up on contact in my opinion. I haven’t tried the 32 gr in 223 as I think it’s for the hornet but a couple guys I know said the 32s do ok in a 223?? I’ll use the 18” for a couple ground squirrel shoots in MT and it did great for that in 2024 out of my SXS from the window w a bag rest. That and a 17 HMR and I was in hog heaven with ground squirrels.
I also love the 12 twists for the 40-55 grainers and I feel that I can maximize velocity with them in a 12 twist vs a 9/8/7 twist though they have their place as well. I really, really love a 75 eld-match in a 7/8/9 twist 223, and in a 22 CM 8” twist they are my favorite on rock chucks and will lift an 6-8ish lb chuck in the air up to 400 yards away.
Reading this has got me excited for next season. Merry Christmas everybody!
I forgot to mention I also love the 20 practical with the 39g sierras but high volume can shoot the 204 40 gr v-maxes much more practically priced almost as good. I’ve got the 20 practical in a bolt gun and have a white oak AR barrel I’ve never loaded as I’m not really a gas gun guy bit this year I’ll dial it in.
Lee Whitsel
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I've got the full stable. You can't go wrong starting with 223. But you need to use appropriate bullets so your best bet is the 53gr vmax. Most of the heavies won't expand. However, a 20 Practical will absolutely outshoot it. The carnage just isn't the same. In a similar vein, a 6x45 with 75gr vmax will shoot right with the 223 with 53s but the impacts are much more impressive. Step up to a 22ARC, and it surpasses all of the above with the 62gr eld-vt.
My 243AI with 105gr amax blows them all out of the water but that's another class. Just built a 6ARC as an in between.
End of the day, along all options, 223 is a solid vanilla option but gravitate towards these other options.
My 243AI with 105gr amax blows them all out of the water but that's another class. Just built a 6ARC as an in between.
End of the day, along all options, 223 is a solid vanilla option but gravitate towards these other options.
10XSHOOTER
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.223 AI use a 1-9 barrel and Sierra 69 HPBT Match king or Tipped match kings.
a little extra velocity for those long shots and a better bullet for those long shots.
Use a 24" barrel with about a number 5 Kreiger contour.
Break it in nice and slow and then clean it every 50 rounds.
a little extra velocity for those long shots and a better bullet for those long shots.
Use a 24" barrel with about a number 5 Kreiger contour.
Break it in nice and slow and then clean it every 50 rounds.
Lee Whitsel
Silver $$ Contributor
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