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Crimp Test In AR

Here are the groups from some crimp testing. Not a huge difference, just seems to limit the “gas gun flyers” a bit more. This is just a bulk load for plinking and the top set was loaded using the Lee 4-hole turret press and the powder was dropped by a case-activated dropper. I think I have a new way to load plinkers.Untitled design.jpg
 
Were you having issues with bullet movement during loading/firing cycles? I have been trying a light Lee crimp on 223 and have a custom Lee crimp die for my 20p. I have seen bullet movement when using a 0.002 under bullet diameter mandrel, 20p was more pronounced. I also have seen "flyers" diminished. I have been shooting with a thermal sight, still trying different reticles and colors for best precision.
 
Were you having issues with bullet movement during loading/firing cycles? I have been trying a light Lee crimp on 223 and have a custom Lee crimp die for my 20p. I have seen bullet movement when using a 0.002 under bullet diameter mandrel, 20p was more pronounced. I also have seen "flyers" diminished. I have been shooting with a thermal sight, still trying different reticles and colors for best precision.
I have seen movement for years. I do not mandrel any gas gun loads anymore. I have a custom-honed die that leaves about .006 tension. I would see about .001-.003 movement of the bullet after chambering (sometimes more, was kind of bullet/seating depth dependent). The crimp seems to solve the issue.
 
I have seen movement for years. I do not mandrel any gas gun loads anymore. I have a custom-honed die that leaves about .006 tension. I would see about .001-.003 movement of the bullet after chambering (sometimes more, was kind of bullet/seating depth dependent). The crimp seems to solve the issue.
That’s a pretty good FYI. I would have never thought a bullet would move with six thousands neck tension.
 
What is the concern about the bullet moving less than 10/1000?

For one, it can open up the groups. It can result in a round that may not be able to be reinserted in the magazine if unchambered. In extreme cases, it can change pressure.
 
For one, it can open up the groups. It can result in a round that may not be able to be reinserted in the magazine if unchambered. In extreme cases, it can change pressure.
A couple thousandths can open up a group with a mag length round? Again, for a couple/few thousandths, it's going to change pressure how?
 
A couple thousandths can open up a group with a mag length round? Again, for a couple/few thousandths, it's going to change pressure how?
Yes. Try it for yourself. The OP found it to be true and I have myself with similar testing.
 
Yes. Try it for yourself. The OP found it to be true and I have myself with similar testing.
I've done lots of seating depth tests with mag length rounds over 15 thousandths difference in OAL. Sometimes, there's a very small change but usually I can't detect any change. This is with rounds that have optimized powder charges.
In any case, the OAL length of the bullet can change 5-10 thousandths lot to lot.
For pressure, if the bullet is moving out, it can only reduce the pressure.
 
I have a custom-honed die that leaves about .006 tension.
Have you measured to see how much of that neck tension remains after bullet seating? Your bullet winds up being a mandrel on that much neck tension. Do you anneal, and if yes, how often?
 
I've done lots of seating depth tests with mag length rounds over 15 thousandths difference in OAL. Sometimes, there's a very small change but usually I can't detect any change. This is with rounds that have optimized powder charges.
In any case, the OAL length of the bullet can change 5-10 thousandths lot to lot.
For pressure, if the bullet is moving out, it can only reduce the pressure.
Have you done this in an AR15?
 
Have you measured to see how much of that neck tension remains after bullet seating? Your bullet winds up being a mandrel on that much neck tension. Do you anneal, and if yes, how often?
I stopped annealing for gas guns, didn’t see the results on paper or seating enough to matter for my uses and amount of firings I get out of my brass (pockets get loose).

Remaining neck tension? Like measurement of loaded round, if so, .249.
 

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