Francis Scott Key Bridge, Baltimore Md.

[Fuj]

For the amount of traffic that port sees, the original bridge
design was flawed. Jackie made a good point in his earlier
post......I'd say, "Murphy's Law" in full effect.

Army Corp of Engineers is on site. Paying for the mess will
initially be out of our pockets but, Synergy Marine group and
it's assigned insurance would be used in any settlements.
Congress needs to deal with that.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Now I'm not sure what is going on, Harbor pilots are not part of the crew. Would have been removed from the ship asap, able to give the NTSB statements over the phone or radio. But all we hear about is the black box recorder. We should already been told what the Harbor pilots saw,heard?

 

[distinguished]

What l heard fjb say was the federal government will rebuild the bridge.........what about the shipping companies insurance company paying for damages

Biden was asked that question and he said they are not going to wait. The government will pay for it 100%. Guess they will deal with the insurance company and owners as time allows. Priority is getting the shipping lane reopened.

 

[SongdogHunter]

steaming along at 8Kts isn't going to slow a 100K Ton vessel. its not like a ship has brakes

 

[rwj]

Maybe wait until the people ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION take the time to gather ALL the facts before even beginning to make wild speculations.

Logical notion… but that defeats the major reason why discussion groups exist!

 

[22turborimfire]

In one month I 'll be watching the impact of travel that this accident has created.

 

[Adam in WI]

Just read there is an obscure 1851 law called the Titanic law that can limit the ship owners liability............so the American taxpayer is on the hook, as usual, to pay for this fiasco

There was a titanic law 60 years before there was a titanic?

 

[Fuj]

Biden was asked that question and he said they are not going to wait. The government will pay for it 100%. Guess they will deal with the insurance company and owners as time allows. Priority is getting the shipping lane reopened.

Yeah, this needs to start happening now. By the time the lawyers and
insurance companies get together over this, It could be years before a
dime is paid out.

This will be the first person to have his colon examined in great depth .
(pun intended)

 

[davidjoe]

I just want them to analyze the rudder inputs. I note this about Motor Vessel Dali, - if a traffic video system shows me going straight, and then I veer off into a stationary policeman directing traffic in the intersection 15 degrees or more from my course of travel, I guaran-dang-tee you I’m the presumptive focus, possibly getting shot at the moment, and fairly expectedly so, — not my old car, not precisely how intentional it was, not how agile or fragile the officer was, not the novelty of a mechanical issue, my Yukon’s weight or unseen forces. Watch it 5 times. Fast and slow. Look at the wind. Look at the surface. Consider the depth - the exposed truss is buried in silt. Look at the motion, speed and direction in relation to the pier and the outage.

 

[hogpatrol]

Didn't do any research on the ship but if it had bow and stern thrusters, they would negate some use of tugs.
It's a sad day when men or women go to work and don't come home.

 

[Brians356]

Sometimes things just happen? Wow...

Yes, that's the bowdlerized version of a very common aphorism. Never heard it? Or must every mishap now be a conspiracy?

When a large modern ship loses electrical power it cannot be controlled in any meaningful way that I'm aware of. As a former harbormaster stated yesterday, losing power in that situation was about the worst possible scenario.
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[Brians356]

Prayers for all involved.

It was reported on Catholic Radio this morning that all six missing were "immigrants" (legal status not specified) from Central America and Mexico. They were "filling potholes".
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[6BRA]

Yes, that's the bowdlerized version of a very common aphorism. Never heard it? Or must every mishap now be a conspiracy?

When a large modern ship loses electrical power it cannot be controlled in any meaningful way that I'm aware of. As a former harbormaster stated yesterday, losing power in that situation was about the worst possible scenario.
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Guess I hope that phrase isn't used on my next plane ride. "Sometimes things just happen" Wings falling off, Engines in flames....My gut says something isn't right with this. Thats all I need. Dundalk Marine Terminal offline for how many days? The supply chain .... has a major problem right now. Along with the victims and their families. How does a vessel this size lose power?

 

[6BRA]

I just want them to analyze the rudder inputs. I know this about “Motor Vehicle” Dali, - if a traffic video system shows me going straight, and then I veer off into a stationary policeman directing traffic in the intersection 15 degrees or more from my course of travel, I guaran-dang-tee you I’m the presumptive focus, possibly getting shot at the moment, and fairly expectedly so, — not my old car, not precisely how intentional it was, not how agile or fragile the officer was, not the novelty of a mechanical issue, my Yukon’s weight or unseen forces. Watch it 5 times. Fast and slow. Look at the wind. Look at the surface. Consider the depth - the exposed truss is buried in silt. Look at the motion, speed and direction in relation to the pier and the outage.

surface was calm/speed was fast by what I saw.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

There shouldn't be any speculation, there should have been non crew, state licensed pilot on board. Capable of answering ANY navigation related questions, vessel emergency situation/actions concerning the incident. Immediately.

 

[Bc'z]

Guess I hope that phrase isn't used on my next plane ride. "Sometimes things just happen" Wings falling off, Engines in flames....My gut says something isn't right with this. Thats all I need. Dundalk Marine Terminal offline for how many days? The supply chain .... has a major problem right now. Along with the victims and their families. How does a vessel this size lose power?

This got me to thinking....
How many engines a freight vessel has???
And they all quit at the same time??
Back up power supply??
I'm sure each engine has its own generator if multiple??

 

[6BRA]

This got me to thinking....
How many engines a freight vessel has???
And they all quit at the same time??
Back up power supply??
I'm sure each engine has its own generator if multiple??

Even tractor trailers have Auxiliary Power Units now. You would almost bet there are multiple engines.

 

[CJ6]

Just read there is an obscure 1851 law called the Titanic law that can limit the ship owners liability............so the American taxpayer is on the hook, as usual, to pay for this fiasco

How can there be a law named for a ship that hasn't been built yet ?

 

[lawman29]

Sunshine Skyway bridge collision collapse FYI

STRUCTURE magazine | Tampa Bay (Sunshine Skyway) Bridge Disaster

www.structuremag.org

 

[Bc'z]

Even tractor trailers have Auxiliary Power Units now. You would almost bet there are multiple engines.

My Google-fu tells me that dependent on size and capacity of vessel they will have 2-4 engines.