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Looking for opinions on a medium bore chambering (.338, 8mm, 9.3mm, .35)

The 300 Win mag with more sectional density (heavier for caliber) and slower to open up would penetrate deeper.
Don't understand why anyone would use a suppressor and a short barrel on a supersonic hunting round...only need one shot or maybe two to kill the animal...and it makes alot of noise supersonic...and less performance.
Did the guide have a short barrel and a suppressor?
It's your choice and I certainly don't care what you use...but you don't have to change anything but a slower opening bullet with more weight...like a Barns 200 gr. So before you do an expensive build test the bullets in medium...the 180 gr Nosler against any bullet you use, like the 200 gr Barns against your 180 Nosler for wound channel and penetration.
I shot my last bull with the 7mm Remington Mag factory rifle 24" barrel, years ago with 175 gr Nosler looking for better bullet performance...all 4 Nosler partitions passed through the chest after I shot him 3 times ran down and he was still standing...looking at me as if to charge, reloaded and shot him again...he ran out of sight, before dropping. I went to the 338 win Mag, sold the 7mm mag yrs ago. Usually get huge exit wounds, when compared to years of hunting with a 7mm mag , alot of blood shot meat tiny exit wounds were standard..i
Bullets do not travel in straight lines when a bone is struck or a a side portion of bullet breaks off they go off course, sometimes sharply there by stopping exit wounds. The 175 7mm has more sectional density than a 180 308 compare the numbers...but do the experiment to find what works for your 300. If I went to 338 it would be at least 250 grs. for good penetration...mine shoots 275 gr at 2675 fps with RL 26 24" or a 416 Rigby with 400 gr. Barns at 2600 fps. 24" barrel, these heavy bullet calibers penetrate, but not needed..but on lighter big game you should definitely get exit wounds. I like exit wounds of the large size..softball to football size about right.
 

I had the same question. Some good info there.

I will say my initial approach is light for caliber solids running a fast powder, but I haven't had time to run some GRT simulations yet due to other commitments.

Right now, I'm leaning 338 or 375 RUM or 338 or 375 Ruger. The Ruger case is nearly identical to the Nosler magnums, so pick your poison. Brass availability will likely be the deciding factor.

With respect to terminal ballistics, this has more info than I can provide...

TLDR... either slow heavy soft bullets or fast tough bullets. Keep then above a minimum impact velocity for the animal and bullet, put them in the right place, and you are good.
 
My .35 Whelen pushes 225 gr. AccuBonds at 2800 FPS out of a 22" barrel without the hard and fast recoil of the 338s. More comparable to a .375 H&H (big push). I just use 30-06 brass and neck is straight up with one pass through the Whelen die. It seems to go unnoticed that the 35 Whelen with that bullet is an honest big game cartridge out to 400 yards with the trajectory similar to a 30-06 with 180s.
 
Another option would be a 35 sambar. It's a 300wsm necked up to 35cal. MY favorite wildcat is a 8mm mag case necked up to 9.3.
This or a 338 wsm would likely work great in a short barrel. Short fat powder column seems to work great in the 300 wsm at shorter barrels.

I had a 376 steyr with a 19”. Bit overkill for your goals I think but it was designed around the 19-20” barrel length and got nearer 2600 with a 270 gr and could go 2800 with the 225-235 ish stuff.

Tried and true 338 win mag also works fine with shorter barrels. Many a guide gun in use with 18-22”. Medium load in my 700 was pushing the 225 at 2850 in i think a 24”. I gotta measure it. 2-4” wont kill it esp with the faster powders. Recoil isnt terrible imo.
 
I necked up a 30 nosler to 338, using 270 eldx it’s happy at 2840. It’s a new cartridge for me and took a bunch of testing but am now confident in it. It all fits into a hawkins dbm and weighs 11.3 pounds with scope.
 
I have had a 9.3x62 for a bit over a decade and I like it. But, if you want 2800 fps you’ll need a very light bullet. 9.3x62 is a 30-06 sized case as is 35 Whelen so powder vol is an issue for those higher speeds.

A 2500fps Barnes or Nosler E-Tip 250gr bullet from a decent length barrel would be very effective. (Or a 250gr Accubond?)

Scrummy
 
I have a 338/06 that I shoot 180 AB and 200 CT BTs in.
I would look close at these two
The 180s are 3000+ in a 22” barrel In the 338.
I also have a 35 Whelen I shoot 225 BTs in it.
The 338/06 is more accurate but I have not loaded a ton of stuff for the 35. I shoot the same 35 load in my CVA and Savage 110.
both are hammers on hogs.
I find the 35 is way too much gun on whitetail. Really big holes.
 
Personally I love the 338 caliber but don’t like a ton of recoil so I built a 338-06 with a 24” bbl. I also don’t feel I have to run with what’s the most popular so the caliber appeals to me for being not-mainstream I guess. I’ve heard others say shorter barrels in this cartridge don’t lose much velocity like 40 fps for 2”.
Many bullets performed well accuracy-wise and I settled on a couple of 225 grain options at 2700 FPS for elk. At 2750 I had slight pressure signs so I went with 2700 for hunting loads.
I always felt I needed a bit more velocity, not for game performance but to improve exterior ballistics but the 338-06 comes within 100 fps to the WM and it uses much less powder to do it, so became quite satisfied with time that it was a great balance of bore, bullet weight, recoil, and barrel length. It’s never going to compete with other calibers if I’m shooting over 400 yards.
The 338-06 killed my elk with full pass through so I don’t have any complaints. Since you want to go short and add a suppressor, I know you would have a great performer with the 338-06 There are other 338’s that go faster and hit harder with longer barrels but with a short barrel you may not get added velocity, but just a really hot can. The powder will be burned outside the barrel where it does no good.
The heavy hitting 338’s come with a big recoil price tag. The can will help that greatly though.

Bottom line:
338-06 with 22” bbl= ~2700 FPS with 225 gr
338-Sherman or similar with 20” bbl & suppressor MIGHT get 2800 FPS with a 225 plus a huge fire ball, but I really doubt it. It migh


I love the discussion because I’ve had the same thoughts so many times And went through the process also.

Good luck and I’m curious to know what you eventually decide.
 
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I just got done hunting nilgai down in South TX. It was a company outing that from the sounds of things we are going to be doing every year now.
I used my .300 Win Mag and it did fine, but, dang, those animals are tough! My load of a 180 grain Partition at around 2800 fps from a 21" barrel (suppressed gun) was good for going 4-for-4 on animals (2 bulls and 2 cows, one each for me and one each for my best friend). On my bull, I had a 178 yard broadside shot and was able to put it right in the boiler room (top of the heart). The bullet was just below the hide on the off side. On my cow, she was hard quartered away at 132 yards, so I shot her in the neck when she looked back at us. That bullet passed through. For my friend, both were quartering away shots and neither passed through.
The guide I was with was carrying a 33 Nosler and after seeing its performance on both nilgai and pigs, I am now thinking about building a medium bore to use on this trip going forward. I know it is a bit crazy as I have proof that the 300 WM is just fine, but I think I would like a pass through shot and I don't have any desire to go with a bigger 30.

My goal would be 2800+ with a 225 grain bullet out of a 22" barrel. I will be using it suppressed, so I want to keep the barrel length shorter. If I can get this build done over the summer and get some time with it, it will also go to Canada with me for my Sept moose hunt and the 300WM will become the backup gun.

I have been doing some reading on the Sherman chamberings, specifically, the 338 Sherman, 388 Sherman Max, and .338 Sherman Mega. All of them look capable, but I would like the opinions of some who have used it, or others like it. I am open to any of the other medium bore chamberings that will get me where I want to be. I am also partial to wildcats and lesser known chamberings. I guess I am a bit of a non-conformist when it comes to custom builds.
This will handle everything up to and including a T Rex ; )

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The 35 Sambar would be a good choice or 35 Whelen, or my personal favorite my 350 Remington Mag in a Ruger 77 with a 22” barrel. Hand loaded 200 gr Barnes going 2925-2950. I have killed black bear, elk, hogs and a bunch of deer. You cold also get close to 2800 with the Barnes 225. I load 3031 behind the 200 Barnes. Recoil isn’t bad at all. All my shots have been 300 yds or less with the 350. Brass can be a little hard to find but once you do you are set for a while.

I have no experience with it but the 325 WSM would be a consideration for a short barrel. Another fun wildcat might be a 338-350. Basically a 338-06.

Just trying to find calibers that will get you the general velocity you want in a 22” barrel. Just be sure that whatever you do that the brass fits the feed lips and mag. Feeding problems can be a pain in the backside.

Also your 300 win mag with monolithic bullets should work just fine.
 
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I took a Sako 995 in 338 Lapua and cut it back to 16.5" so it was more manageable in brush and blinds with a 10" Thunderbeast suppressor on it. Berger 250 grain bullets dropped everything except last year's black bear which went 50 feet with a quartering to shot I should have been a little more forward with. (4) black bears over 500# and a couple northern whitetails. Not Nilgai tough but bears are big animals. Prior to suppressing the rifle, it took a coastal grizzly and a huge black bear in Alaska. I was concerned about having enough penetration on the grizzly so I loaded some heavy Barnes TTSX bullets as well as the Bergers. First shot on the standing grizzly at 30 yards was with the Barnes, It zipped right through the bear, hitting the heart, but missing the spine and the exit hole looked no bigger than the entrance. As it dropped to all 4 and spun away, I sent a second shot with the Berger 250 grain into the bear's midsection as it ran directly away. The bear dropped and never moved. The bears vitals were literally soup when we skinned it out. Same performance a few days later on a black bear so big the outfitter at first thought it was a dark grizzly. Quartering to shot, 125 yards away. Bear instantly dropped with a chest full of liquid.

I've never chrono'ed the load but 90 grains of Retumbo shoots well with no pressure. I guess my point to the above stories is terminal performance is more important than velocity of a bullet. I've been thrilled with the performance of Berger bullets since I started using them in all my hunting rifles. I still use Partitions and A-Frames in my Africa large game rifles, but Bergers everywhere else.

338 RUM is the so close to the equivalent of the Lapua, I'd consider that cartridge if you don't want to change actions.

Good Luck,
Scott
 
I just got done hunting nilgai down in South TX. It was a company outing that from the sounds of things we are going to be doing every year now.
I used my .300 Win Mag and it did fine, but, dang, those animals are tough! My load of a 180 grain Partition at around 2800 fps from a 21" barrel (suppressed gun) was good for going 4-for-4 on animals (2 bulls and 2 cows, one each for me and one each for my best friend). On my bull, I had a 178 yard broadside shot and was able to put it right in the boiler room (top of the heart). The bullet was just below the hide on the off side. On my cow, she was hard quartered away at 132 yards, so I shot her in the neck when she looked back at us. That bullet passed through. For my friend, both were quartering away shots and neither passed through.
The guide I was with was carrying a 33 Nosler and after seeing its performance on both nilgai and pigs, I am now thinking about building a medium bore to use on this trip going forward. I know it is a bit crazy as I have proof that the 300 WM is just fine, but I think I would like a pass through shot and I don't have any desire to go with a bigger 30.

My goal would be 2800+ with a 225 grain bullet out of a 22" barrel. I will be using it suppressed, so I want to keep the barrel length shorter. If I can get this build done over the summer and get some time with it, it will also go to Canada with me for my Sept moose hunt and the 300WM will become the backup gun.

I have been doing some reading on the Sherman chamberings, specifically, the 338 Sherman, 388 Sherman Max, and .338 Sherman Mega. All of them look capable, but I would like the opinions of some who have used it, or others like it. I am open to any of the other medium bore chamberings that will get me where I want to be. I am also partial to wildcats and lesser known chamberings. I guess I am a bit of a non-conformist when it comes to custom builds.
It isn't complicated. Go for a .338 cal, anything between a .338 win to one of the fast .338s. There are plenty of .338 bullets of all types. You may want to consider ammo availability.if you don't reload. There is a reason why there are a few choices keep coming up, the test of time.
 
Everyone I know who depends on moose and elk for their winter survival use a 338 winmag or a 300 winmag.
It's not a coincidence.
Even the 30'06 gets the job done.

Edit:.. I've NEVER seen a 338 Lapua or a 338 RUM drop the game to the ground any faster than a 338 WinMag.
 
I would avoid any "Weatherby" cartridge. People that shoot Weatherby cartridges sound more like car salesman and televangelists than avid shooters. It's like they feel compelled to convert you to their religion because they feel insecure in their purchase.
 
I like the 35 Whelen but my choice for this would be the 358 Norma Magnum, you can get the velocity you want even with the 250 grain, which with 35 caliber would be the better choice.

The Norma would also allow heavier projectiles around -300 and 300+ grains.

If you go with the Whelen look into Hawk bullets.
 

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