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Newbies out of control!

About 35 years ago I saw a barrel failure on a Perazzi 12 guage, really caused damage to the shooters forearm.

As I stated earlier I've seen almost nothing for over 50 years until these images of blown up guns on the internet.

To me, knowing people the low failure rate amazes me and is a testimony to design.
 
I guess the logic here is that because no one has produced "proof" that such an instance has occurred. it can't, and never will, happen to anyone.

As far as I am concerned, I don't even want to be even stung by any flying fragments from a firearm failure close to me, I have enough old wounds already.
Your first statement is wrong and you knew it when you typed it. Your deliberately intellectually dishonest statement there is nothing but veiled snark. Because nobody has provided a single lick of EVIDENCE of bystander mortality despite many many thousands of gun KB's on public shooting ranges and in less carefully crafted settings we can confidently state that the likelihood is vanishingly small and anyone thinking otherwise is practicing a chicken little mindset while deliberately making sure that FUD keeps being spread. But, you do you. If intellectual dishonesty is your thing, keep at it.

Your second statement is the only one posted so far that really demonstrates what's going on. You're just scared of needing stitches. It's ok to admit that without jumping on the hyperbole train to nowhere.

Personally, I don't spend much time worrying about extremely unlikely things. I find it gets in the way of living a very happy and satisfying life and leads to judgemental thinking while destroying critical thinking.
 
Your first statement is wrong and you knew it when you typed it. Your deliberately intellectually dishonest statement there is nothing but veiled snark. Because nobody has provided a single lick of EVIDENCE of bystander mortality despite many many thousands of gun KB's on public shooting ranges and in less carefully crafted settings we can confidently state that the likelihood is vanishingly small and anyone thinking otherwise is practicing a chicken little mindset while deliberately making sure that FUD keeps being spread. But, you do you. If intellectual dishonesty is your thing, keep at it.

Your second statement is the only one posted so far that really demonstrates what's going on. You're just scared of needing stitches. It's ok to admit that without jumping on the hyperbole train to nowhere.

Personally, I don't spend much time worrying about extremely unlikely things. I find it gets in the way of living a very happy and satisfying life and leads to judgemental thinking while destroying critical thinking.
Now there is a prime example of being "judgemental without a clue". You have no idea how I have lived my life or what I have done, and as for me being worried about stitches and broken bones and such I'm afraid that it is far too late for that.

I am not going to carry this conversation any further into the personal attack contest that it is turning into, you go your way and I will go mine. Good Day to you sir.
 
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What could possibly go wrong? Its only what fifty thousand psi? Trial and error is the best way to learn. Desperate times! He probably thought he hit the gold mine with all the empty steel cases on the ground at the range!
If it is only 50000psi, all good, but with inexperienced newbies, whos to say they dont end up with 150000psi.
 
And if there hadn’t been a Utoob to
post a video on, would they have bothered to even conceive of such a foolish escapade?

Who was the actor who died on set a few years ago when he took a point-blank discharge from a blank round?

... and Cliff Claven says, "The actor who died from Darwinism is..."
Brandon Lee - The Crow
Lead Male Actor on TV show "Undercover" playing Russian Roullette with blanks

Don't forget about the guys who were drinking and decided to test out the bullet proof vest, which was actually a military surplus flack jacket... Anyone want to guess how it performed against a modern bullet design at close quarters. Shooter is spending time up state.
 
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It is not necessarily just newbies who make silly mistakes. Years ago I went to my local gun shop (Ipswich Gun Shop in Australia) to get a tub of 2214 powder which is a bit slower than H1000 as this is what my large cased .224 cartridge shooting 75gn bullets required.
The salesman asked what I was loading for and he rolled his eyes at me, shook is head and told me I need this as he handed me a tub of 2208 (Varget) powder. He explained that 223s and 22/250s use this much faster powder, so I should too. I reminded him I am loading 56gns of powder behind a 75gn .224, not 25gns of powder behind a 50gn pill, but once again I go the eye roll and condescending explanation that NO, he will not sell me the powder I wanted (and had been using) and that he would only sell me the much, much faster burning powder as that is what 223s and 22/250s use.

I told him, dont worry about it and went to leave but decided out of interest to ask him how much I should load and he told me, fill it to the bottom of the neck, which would've been around 58gns. Later on when I got quickload I worked out this would have given me over 150000psi. I really should've reported this to his boss so he didnt do the same to someone else.
 
So no. Nobody can point to even 1 instance where anyone else was killed or even significantly injured and the energy of flying pieces even in this extreme case was insufficient to penetrate a single wall and so it's unlikely that penetration in living tissues wouldn't have been impressive if frags even penetrated at all.

The wall the piece was embedded in was built of 2" x 12" lumber, not sheetrock. Not sure how much force is required to embed a piece of metal in a 2" x 12", but I'm pretty sure I would prefer it not be exerted on me.

Personally, I don't spend much time worrying about extremely unlikely things. I find it gets in the way of living a very happy and satisfying life and leads to judgemental thinking while destroying critical thinking.

I never said I worry about it, nor id I say it was common. But I'm also smart enough to realize that things do occasionally go wrong, and when things go sideways, people can get hurt, whether or not I've witnessed it.


Edit: Just noticed this post: https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/6cm-case-separation-new-brass-near-fatal.4034415/
 
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I agree the internet has made reloading more dangerous. These newbies do not believe us older guys that been reloading for 50 years. I can tell a story of a newbie, ( another person), but it has already been told.
 
There is also the 'risk assessment'.
I.e., - highly unlikely to ever happen; but, if it does someone is seriously injured/dies. Some are just willing to keep taking the chance.
 
that was 40 years ago when I wore blue tights with a big red S on the chest. Lee hammer loader and a .357 on my back porch shooting at cans. Still have no idea how or why I survived my 20's
I had A LEE 10 Gauge Hammer loader also that I used as a kid,LOL. Can they even sell them know? LOL
 
I agree the internet has made reloading more dangerous.
Ya think ?
Actually it's the edu system purposely dumbing down by omitting the fostering of critical thinking and the ability to reason.
Do as we say, not as we do as we can't have ppls smart enough to question us.
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Last fall, I set a friend up to reload pistol. All he shoots is 9mm. I gave him a press, powder thrower, scale, dies and some other stuff, including 1k empty tumbled cases and a brick of primers. He bought bullets and a good micrometer. I sat him down for a day of tutoring on loading for pistol. He got it and calls me if he has any questions. Let’s call him Dave. So far, so good......until today!
Dave calls me and starts asking me how to load 308. He has a friend that wanted to start reloading and Dave offered to help. The two of them are sitting in Daves basement trying to figure out how to set up the sizing die in the Rock Chucker I gave him. Dave says” Hank brought everything! Powder, primers, empty cases and bullets! We just need a little help.” Trying to be cordial, I try to help but the hairs on the back of my neck start to tickle. I give a ten minute explanation about how to set up a die, pushing the shoulder back 2 thou, blah blah. I’m on speaker so they both can hear. Hank says “That’s not what the booklet says.”
I ask “Who made the die?”
Hank: “Lee. It says in the book that it should be screwed in more than you said so you can feel the collet click.”
I ask “Is it a Lee neck sizing die?”
Hank”Yes”
Oh Lord, I think. I ask “ What are you loading for?”
Hank “I have four semi autos in 308.”
I say “You can’t use that die for semi autos. Do you have a full length sizing die?”
Hank “Yes”
I say “ Use that. Do you have any guages that measure the shoulder?”
Hank “What’s that?”
I say “ Read thru the beginning of your reloading manual. It should explain a lot.”
Hank “I don’t have a manual.”
I ask “Where did you get your load data?”
Hank “Off the internet.”
Dave chimes in “ Will this die work on steel cases?”
I sit down, calm myself for a moment and then give them both barrels in a five minute lecture about the dangers involved in what they’re doing, buying the stuff they need, reading as much as they can and don’t try to reload a fu$$ing thing until I get back to Delaware! I think I got thru to them?!!? They said “OK, well ...thanks.”
Scared the crap out of me.
Only worry when they start to anneal the powder.
 
I learned a lot starting out with a Western Powders manual and a lee loader kit. I belled cases too much using a brass bore guide, set off a primer while seating, realized the sizing die didn't give enough neck tension, realized that the seating and crimping should be two separate steps as it shaved lead bullets terribly. None of what I made with it was shootable, but it makes you appreciate of much of the process is automated by a press.
What I learned was the kinds of mistakes you can make while still keeping your fingers/eyes eyes and those you cannot.
I have both eyes and all 11 fingers.
 
At this writing I am 19 years and some months Sober, when I was still drinking I was shooting sporting clays and me and a MEC 650 and a glass of wild turkey and a pack of camel filters would punch out shells all afternoon, was this a problem?
12.5 years here...except it was Single Barrel JD and Marlboro Reds.
 

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