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223 REAMER ADVICE

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I have a couple of barrel blanks coming my way and now I need to get a reamer. On blank is 7 twist and the other is 8. I read a review of a rifle built on Ultimate Reloader that seems to about what I’m going to do. The reamer was aDave Manson 223 Fullbore T.15. I am not going to go crazy and try any of the super long heavies but I do want to shoot 75-80 grain bullets. This gun has AICS magazines.
I have called Mansons like 10 times but they never answer. I have emailed them too. No reply. I don’t mind buying a used reamer in good shape but I really need to figure out which reamer is best.
THANKS FOR LOOKING
 
If you want a Manson reamer I'd keep calling. I had the same problem and kept trying and finally got through. I wanted a Manson because I already have pilots for them and they do quality work. They had the reamer you want in stock last week. I got a 223 wylde reamer for 75/77s. I have a barrel done with the T15 and unless you plan on jumping a lot the freebore is too long for 75gr elds and probably similar weight bullets. They are a small group of people and very busy so I'd give them a little leeway.
 
So ive been pondering this same thing, i want to be able to clear the donut that forms on about the 3rd firing, id like to keep the edge of the bullet just out of reach of the donut. This should give you room to run 25 gr of varget with no crunch..

i was tood the ISSF reamer is the ticket, I was looking at that one or one with .169 freebore.

id shoot 60-85 gr bullets exclusively.
 
So ive been pondering this same thing, i want to be able to clear the donut that forms on about the 3rd firing, id like to keep the edge of the bullet just out of reach of the donut. This should give you room to run 25 gr of varget with no crunch..

i was tood the ISSF reamer is the ticket, I was looking at that one or one with .169 freebore.

id shoot 60-85 gr bullets exclusively.
PTG's 223 Rem ISSF reamer cuts 0.169 fb and was specifically designed with 90s in mind. The caveat is that the folks involved with that reamer design were seating 90s at around .010" into the lands. It turns out in some people's hands, the 90s also shoot very well at around .020" to .025" off the lands. In that event, you're giving up ~.030" to .035" fb as compared to those seating them .010" into the lands. The boattail/bearing surface junction of a 90 VLD seated at .020" to .025" off the lands is right at, or just slightly below the neck/shoulder junction. In other words, they will be seated well below the donut in that particular chamber when jumped, which is not optimal. A more optimal freebore for the 90s would be in the 0.220" to 0.230" range if one plans to jump them.

I mentioned the above solely for comparative purposes. In rifles chambered with the 223 Rem ISSF reamer (0.169" fb), it is still possible to seat the Berger 80.5 Fullbore bullet, which has a BTO dimension ~.033" shorter than the 90 VLD (.589" vs .622"). As you might imagine, if the 90 VLD boattail/bearing surface junction is very close to the neck/shoulder junction when seated at ~.020" off the lands, those same chamber specs would put the Berger 80.5 Fullbore boattail/bearing surface junction approximately .033" above the neck/shoulder junction when also seated at about .020" off the lands, or a little less than 1/4 of the way out the neck. To be honest, I don't know exactly how far above the neck/shoulder the donut extends. I'm not sure there is any exact measurement. I would think putting the boattail/bearing surface junction at least 1/4th the way out the neck (above the neck/shoulder junction) would be the safest bet, but it may not require a full quarter of the neck length.

In any event, the best solution to this is to start making a few dummy rounds. Get the bullets you're interested in using seated exactly where you want them in the neck to avoid the donut, then start taking measurements. Your gunsmith may actually want the specific dummy rounds to work from, so hang on to any you make. Just note on the case body exactly what they are. Although I generally choose my reamer freebore specs based solely on relative comparisons between optimized loads with a bullet I am already using in a given chamber of known freebore and one I wish to try, it can also be done by comparing actual measurements of the dummy rounds themselves, and knowing the specific segment dimensions of the bullet you wish to compare. Berger provides such bullet dimensional information. However, if you just give your smith the correct dummy round, it shouldn't be an issue to determine an appropriate freebore length. That can then be cut either using a throating reamer such as a Uni-throater, or by having a reamer ground with the appropriate throat dimensions. I haven't specifically made any dummy rounds myself with bullets in the 80 to 85.5 gr range, but I suspect the 223 Rem ISSF reamer (0.169" fb) would work almost perfectly. However, don't simply take my word for it, make a few dummy rounds and take some measurements, then discuss it with your smith. If the 223 Rem ISSF reamer will work for you, it would save a fair bit of lead time as that's one PTG usually has in stock (already made).
 
I bought a Manson fullbore reamer for my daughters 223 ftr rifle and had it chamberd to to shoot the Berger 90gr vld. Used that reamer because that’s what Manson recommend. if I try to touch the land I don’t have very much of the bullet in the case. I am afraid they will fall out or get knocked crooked.
 
I bought a Manson fullbore reamer for my daughters 223 ftr rifle and had it chamberd to to shoot the Berger 90gr vld. Used that reamer because that’s what Manson recommend. if I try to touch the land I don’t have very much of the bullet in the case. I am afraid they will fall out or get knocked crooked.
What is the freebore?
 
A Wylde chamber does fine with 75-80 grain bullets. No need to cut the throat away if you don't need to.

Yup get a 223 Wylde. I use AICS mags with the 75 ELDs and with a max of 2.550" in the mag with the 75 ELDs at .020" off lands I am at 2.470" so still plenty of room in mag. I use a 27" 7 twist and very accurate with Varget and 8208, which I just got some testing with the other day.
 
Not my reamer, but it is a PTG reamer that Criterion uses and calls it 223 Rem Match
chamber. But there are other reamers that use the same name.

The thing I do know is the freebore is .090.
 
Not my reamer, but it is a PTG reamer that Criterion uses and calls it 223 Rem Match
chamber. But there are other reamers that use the same name.

The thing I do know is the freebore is .090.
That reamers dimensions scare me. Tight base diameter could lead to hard extraction and sizing issues. Short neck length could lead to issues if you aren't on top of trimming. I'm sure it may work well for some people.
 
That reamers dimensions scare me. Tight base diameter could lead to hard extraction and sizing issues. Short neck length could lead to issues if you aren't on top of trimming. I'm sure it may work well for some people.
Just get a .223 Wylde. Doing some load work up I shot this 5 shot group with 8208 and 75 ELDs through thick mirage. The Wylde is a good do it all chamber.

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