A new message from Federal

[ebb]

The next video i see from him needs to be about having all the primers you want to buy factory direct and at the old price of $29. /1000. i am beginning to think he is fake news.

 

[jelenko]

Yeah. All I'm getting from his videos is "We're working hard, really hard for 'you'".
I'm not sure what their objective is in making these videos. Maybe so we'll think more kindly of Vista?

 

[Shooter13]

My take on the message...

"For the commercial market".

Meaning loaded ammo.
And i have been seeing ammo on store shelves.
$37 for box of 20 in 223 Rem. Ditto 38 Special. $42 box of 357 Mag.

But some of the typical hunting calibers (270Win for example) are not to be found.

What he didn't say was " for the reloader".

Reloaders are a very small percentage of shooters, the problem is if we can't reload look at how many other products are affected, who wants to buy a tumbler if you can't buy primers for the brass that you can't find powder for? And on and on!

 

[GLO123]

I will start my post by saying I live only 40 miles from Federal plant in Anoka Minnesota. I have seen lots of federal hunting ammo on the shelves lately. In the last three months I’ve bought over 5000 federal primers for my use and my son in laws use. Rifle small and large primers, pistol large and small primers. Where once shelves were bare they now are full. I’ve also seen lots of CCI primers too for that matter.

I’m stocking up now on my supplies. Its only one news cycle, one riot away from another ammo run.

As for prices of primers, $5.99 for pistol primers per 100, $7.99 for rifle primers per 100. I feel these prices are the new normal. And I was excited to find the shelves had products. Also I think the stores are changing us a bit for hazmat costs they had for shipping to them. They just pass that cost back to us.

 

[Shooter13]

Also I think the stores are changing us a bit for hazmat costs they had for shipping to them.

They always have, it is part of the cost of the product and no middleman, retailer or anyone else is just going to "eat" cost. You have to make a profit or you are just spinning your wheels.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Many stores I shop are within 40 miles of Anoka, there has been a small amount of Federal ammo, very few primers. I see 50.00/box hunting ammo(Fed)sit on shelves(a few boxes). There has been fmj 9mms,308,223 some brands I haven't seen before. Primers 10.00 for LR match 7.00 pistol,sr 400's. Overall, Win,Fiocchi seem more available. I just haven't seen the "talk" backed up by delivering of product. LGS have been very frustrated with Federal ammo availability, especially trap loads.

 

[ebb]

Its all cause the ports are clogged up.

 

[ebb]

Ammo is double what it was. Primers are triple. Hunting ammo is way up, maybe more than double. Do you think this guy really wants this to go away. He is going to get a bonus this year that will rival the budget of a small state.

 

[300_whisper]

I know post 32 from me was a joke but do you guys think ammo manufacturers would lobby for sanctions against Russian ammo? That would be a huge market for them to exploit. Trump continued Russian import bans that Obama implemented. I think there’s some back door stuff going on.

 

[jelenko]

Yeah. I never understood why Trump's admin didn't remove the bans.

Oh, the dreams of Tula and S and B primers everywhere!

 

[Shooter13]

I guess this is just our society today, we always seem to doubt what anyone is saying. We take nothing for face value and in many instance add to or take away from the message.

 

[jelenko]

I guess this is just our society today, we always seem to doubt what anyone is saying. We take nothing for face value and in many instance add to or take away from the message.

For good reason, yes? There are so many sources of 'data' that are speaking/writing with an agenda and who either bend the facts or create 'facts' to support their agenda. It's not until you get to really know someone or some organization that I can develop confidence in accepting what they say/write.

And, it's the ones with an agenda that speak and write the most.

 

[Brians356]

One word explains it all: "Hoarders". I believe they're cranking out all the ammo and components they can. The same thing happened with TP in 2020. I know people working in a tissue mill in my hometown and they were churning out TP as fast as possible, yet the shelves were bare. It always comes back to "supply and demand". But it's now too alluring for too many people to fantasize about delicious conspiracies.
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[LGKLAS]

The industry's cost of materials has gone up. Price of copper is 40% higher than it was 'pre-shortage'. They've hired more employees and added shifts so the industry's cost of labor has gone up. In an economy where it's all about supply and demand, the demand has risen, due to new shooters and those who who hoard in such times these.

All this said, IMO, prices are still higher than what they need to be. Loaded ammo and components, across the board. I just visited CCI's website and see their primers are at least double what they were priced at 'pre-shortage'. And at over $100 p/thousand. I bought a few 1000 primers just before the shortage and at under $35 p/1000 (Federal 210s and CCI 450s).

My point is, IMO, it isn't just one industry entity that is making a larger profit than normal, it is every entity in the loop selling to us. I was and am lucky that I slowly stocked up after the shortage of 2013 so had plenty of everything on hand before this latest shortage came along. Pure luck, not by design. I haven't had to buy anything and I won't. Rather , while still going to the range on average , once a week, I just cut back some on the amount of rounds I shoot each outing.

I think we all should do that. Go as often, just shoot less. Even competitions could cut back on numbers of rounds fired per match. This would be especially easy to do with PRS matches. And three gun. & all local matches.

Finally, I am seeing 'stuff' come back on shelves. Some bullets, some powders and some primers. Powders and primers don't last long but these are showing up and that is better now than a year ago. I would not be surprised to see this continue for at least another year. Thanx for the platform for me to give my opinion and do a bit of ranting. lg

 

[LGKLAS]

I've walked into the same Walmart on Tuesday mornings for the last three weeks. The guy at the counter told me that's the morning their shipment for ammo comes in. Every Tuesday morning the shelves are full of .243, .308, .30-06, .270, 7mm Rem, .300 Winchester, etc. By Wednesday morning, I'll wander in to see what is left. The last three weeks there have been only one or two boxes left at a time.

I don't remember in years past the hunting ammo selling that fast, nor did that Walmart get "pallets and pallets" of hunting ammo. I've never heard of them getting a dozen pallets of dove loads. But I did see whole pallets at a time brought out...and the local Walmart has yet to run out of birdshot loads this entire time. I don't know what is happening where you are, but either you're showing up at the wrong time or perhaps there is a management problem.

The truth is people are buying every round they can find. Talking to the local gun shop owner, they sell virtually every round of ammo they get in common calibers usually within two days of getting them. They limit to two boxes.

There is no grand conspiracy.

Good comment, Tyler. B/C I remember back in 2013/14 the last shortage what happened RE: Walmart. Locals everywhere figured out when the Walmarts got their ammunition delivered, what day(s) and bought it all up before day's end. No grand conspiracy. lg

 

[LGKLAS]

Reloaders are a very small percentage of shooters, the problem is if we can't reload look at how many other products are affected, who wants to buy a tumbler if you can't buy primers for the brass that you can't find powder for? And on and on!

Good point Shooter. I've seen all kinds of reloading products on sale the past year. They can't sell it if there aren't any components. Some reloading products aren't in stock and I believe they have not restocked some of these (smaller items) because it ain't worth it, to then have them sit on shelves. JMO, lg

 

[moorepower]

Democrats are secretly pro gun. They are in bed with the manufacturers. They create demand by threatening new laws and putting restrictions on imports. Look what we have now...American companies making AKs and PSA getting into the steel ammo market. Under trump we lost bump stocks and remington went under. Under biden we have remington coming back, colt getting rescued from bankruptcy, forced reset triggers, and ammo coming back into full production. Gun manufacturers give the democrats kick backs from the $350 billion dollar a year industry. They also give the ATF free reign so CEOs, like the guy from rare breed triggers, can make it public, take the issues to court, and win, thus strengthen the 2A. Republicans are the ones who are actually anti gun.

Humor is always a good thing!

 

[Kracken McGraw]

One word explains it all: "Hoarders". I believe they're cranking out all the ammo and components they can. The same thing happened with TP in 2020. I know people working in a tissue mill in my hometown and they were churning out TP as fast as possible, yet the shelves were bare. It always comes back to "supply and demand". But it's now too alluring for too many people to fantasize about delicious conspiracies.
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I think the two words “Military Contracts” may be in front of hoarders, but those contracts may just be hoarding too.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Gotta say this one more time....Keep paying inflated prices they will shortly raise them. Are you capable of understanding if they sit on a shelf, in a warehouse, at the factory price will over time drop.

 

[joshb]

I think the two words “Military Contracts” may be in front of hoarders, but those contracts may just be hoarding too.

Do ya think that little dust up at the Capitol got the Dems to loosen the purse strings on the Military budget? Oh, and maybe they think they DO need the Police?