California competitive shooters, they're coming after you

[gme]

If this is allowed to pass it could be the end of competitive shooting for my friends in CA
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...wAMRQ0XtfksUDi6J9up7rSh96dou9LbVDZqc2xrFBhZDE

 

[kzin]

"Studies have shown that nonlead ammunition performs as well as, or better than, lead ammunition."

Strangely, they don't cite sources.

 

[mikehotel]

More harassment from the demonRAT politicians.

 

[Rustytigwire]

Is military exempt in some cases?

 

[JeffT]

I guess this explains the survey Emil put out regarding lead Bullets.

 

[Bill K]

I am still waiting for California and other states then to start banning wind turbines, as they have caused the death of more of the birds they want to save from lead poisoning than the lead residue from bullets has or does. The anti's have only one goal in mind and that is to stop hunting/shooting and gun sports. Their smoke screen of saving animals is just a front like organized crime and politicians use to cover up the main business, behind the front.

 

[Medic505]

But homeless camps, used hypodermic needles and piles of poop in the streets are ok.

 

[kzin]

Is military exempt in some cases?

the wording of "sporting and indoor ranges" conspicuously leaves out outdoor military and police training ranges.

 

[D-4297]

I wonder if the Demon-crat legislators are as concerned about the 10 - 20,000 Veterans sleeping on the streets of L.A. & Frisco every night , as they are this lame-assed issue . Opps ! I forgot ...The Demon-crats only have a use for Veterans when they go to fight their "Nation-building" Wars . Like they did to us after Vietnam . My bad .

 

[243Mendoza]

Where is the NRA?

 

[Rope2horns]

It ain't got sh*t to do with birds, poisoning, or the environment....it's all about control.

 

[std7mag]

Wait...
My FMJ is throwing off lead dust???
How the heck did that happen?

They do know that lead is mined, right? As in it's a natural occuring substance in the ground?

 

[Bill K]

Wait...
My FMJ is throwing off lead dust???
How the heck did that happen?

They do know that lead is mined, right? As in it's a natural occuring substance in the ground?

In their minds, due to the base often be exposed and the lead inside seen. Then don't understand that lead is a mineral, found in the soil, water and so many of their pipes in the cities that they live in and use everyday. Just a front to stop hunting/shooting and GUNS.

 

[spclark]

I am still waiting for California and other states then to start banning wind turbines....

Don’t count on THAT happening anytime soon.

Or hearing anything about just how big a problem it’s becoming when those turbine blades need to be replaced. They have a limited lifespan & once changed for new the old can’t be ‘recycled’ at all cheaply.

So they get buried somewhere. Someone else’s problem down the road.

 

[rammac]

I can't tell you the last time I've seen a Condor at an indoor shooting range so I doubt that these regulations will help the crap eating birds all that much if you use them at an indoor range. Indoor ranges are REQUIRED to adhere to OSHA and NIOSH safety standards and they are required to use air scrubbers and filter systems that keep lead down to safe levels so their phony argument that restricting indoor ranges helps the health of the shooters is a lie.

Outdoor ranges don't have a problem with lead because it disburses in the air so quickly that nobody is exposed to the degree necessary to become contaminated. As far as animals are concerned, lead bullets in the soil aren't being eaten by anything - lead isn't on the menu for anything critter. Lead in the dirt is filtered by the soil and it wont contaminate any ground water to exceed safety limits.

The National Institute of Occupations Safety and Health (NIOSH) sets the limit of lead exposure for a human adult worker, in the work place, and that maximum level is 6 times higher than what California says Condors should be exposed to (<10 ug/dl BLL).

https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=34&po=8

The National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) at CDC has set a Recommended Exposure Limit (REL) of 50 µg/m3 for a Time Weighted Average (TWA) of 8 hours to be maintained so that worker blood lead remains <60 µg/dL of whole blood.

What's more, NIOSH says that their numbers are just guidelines and not to be used for anything else - like an excuse to eliminate an entire industry?

...values are intended for use in the practice of industrial hygiene as guidelines or recommendations to assist in the control of potential workplace health hazards and for no other use. These values are not fine lines between safe and dangerous concentrations and should not be used by individuals without training in the discipline of industrial hygiene.

So in the end, is California saying that the health of scavenging birds is more important than the health of the average blue collar worker? What's more, when they test birds for lead contamination they test their blood lead level, they don't look for the what has caused the lead level to be what it is - they just assume that it comes from lead bullets. Yes, they have found many sample of dead animals that were shot with lead bullets, yes, they have found Condors with lead contaminated carcass meat in their stomach, but when they test a bird for lead contamination they typically just test for lead in the blood and they don't verify where it came from. From a purely scientific point of view they assume that ALL birds with lead contamination have been contaminated by lead bullets, they never actually do a controlled test to find what contaminated the birds. It would be interesting to see what happens in 20 years when they find that Condors are still showing signs of lead contamination.

 

[Raythemanroe]

Why they worried about that when the world is supposed to end..


Ray

 

[rammac]

Don’t count on THAT happening anytime soon.

Or hearing anything about just how big a problem it’s becoming when those turbine blades need to be replaced. They have a limited lifespan & once changed for new the old can’t be ‘recycled’ at all cheaply.

So they get buried somewhere. Someone else’s problem down the road.

I used to work for a power company in the mid-west. We had a small wind farm and the Chief Engineer told me that at that time (2010 time frame), most wind farms have about a 30% efficiency because at any one time you have 1 windmill working, 1 windmill in reserve because there was no telling when the good one would breakdown, and 1 windmill being worked on because it already failed. What's more, all windmill systems use polymers extensively along with carbon fiber to help reduce weight. This increases the production of hydrocarbons and makes it difficult if not impossible to recycle the parts without further increasing carbon emissions.

 

[Ned Ludd]

Don' be fooled...none of this has anything whatsoever to do with lead or environmental and public safety. California legislators already have their exact goal in mind, which is no firearms at all. At that point, all they have to do is come up with reasons to justify doing anything that helps them achieve that goal. Believe it.

 

[Bill K]

Don’t count on THAT happening anytime soon.

Or hearing anything about just how big a problem it’s becoming when those turbine blades need to be replaced. They have a limited lifespan & once changed for new the old can’t be ‘recycled’ at all cheaply.

So they get buried somewhere. Someone else’s problem down the road.

Just read a report of a place/area, where they found the wind turbines would not handle the power demands needed so they tore them all down, everything could be recycled other than the blades and so they took them out to a very large area of land and buried them a few feet underground, by shoving dirt over them with a bulldozer and they said it would take years, if not decades for them to desolve/disintergrate. So much for that and they are doing their best to keep it under wraps.

 

[Tommie]

Where is the NRA?

Buying new suits.