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South bend lathe?

shooter74

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I’m contemplating picking up a sb number 9. It has several tool holder, a lot of odds and end tooling, etc. My question is would this make a good lathe to learn the basics on, could I use it for chambers later on, and what would be a fair price for it? Thanks in advance.
 
I'm gonna open a can of worms...is it a 9 inch or a 10k...most people call 10k 9 inch lathes.....my opinion a 10k is a good garage lathe but not a 9 inch, how ever a 10k (light 10) does not have a very large spindle thru hole and may limet what you can do.
Value.....condition is everything.....quick change gearbox? Ways worn badly? Cross slide show lots of wrecks?
Tooling? Good brand name or low quality import? Tooling 3 jaw? 4 jaw? Quick change tool post?

We need more info on the machine to help you make an informed purachace.....
 
Had a South Bend 9" lathe. Yes it operates the same as a larger lathe and with in its limits can do excellent work. Never tried but would guess you could thread and chamber a barrel with it, but the work piece or work area would be a long ways from the chuck. The problem to me would be the rigidity of the set up. Another draw back of this lathe is the thread collar on the chucks. They can come loose. In my past life, I was a tool and die maker, and regularly ran a lathe. My choice from a gun smithing view point would be something in the 14" swing range, with a large enough diameter hole in the headstock.
 
There is a heavy 9
You can chamber through the headstock on it. If it’s a standard 9 inch you can chamber good barrels with a steady rest if the bed is long enough.
If the price is right and it’s well tooled don’t turn it away
 
Depends on how you want to chamber, the lathe's condition, and it's bed length.
I have a SB 9 (among other lathes) in very good condition that I rebuilt (DRO, VFD) that I've cut very accurate chambers with between centers, but you need the bed length- mine has the longest made at 4-1/2' and is the minimum needed with about 32" between centers. I run either a Jacobs Rubberflex Collet chuck, or a 6-jaw Buck Adjust-Tru on the spindle, both have less than two-tenths runout.

It's laughable that the "know-everything" crowd crows that you can't cut a decent chamber between centers on a 9" SB when in fact, they were commonly used. I'm staring at an article written by a benchrest shooter for Rifle magazine using a SB9 to chamber his barrels. Sure, it was 40 years ago- but what worked then still works; provided the operator and the lathe are up to the task.

Sort of ironic that one of the first paragraphs reads:

"There is no one correct way to catch a fish, train a dog, or chamber a rifle. Every gunsmith has his own approach, and most have a lot of good reasons for feeling that their method is far superior to any other and that every other gun mechanic in the world is still groping around in the dark ages. This all makes good bull-session material, but the important thing is that in any quality job, certain things must be done, regardless of the method used".

If you want to chamber through the headstock, the SB9 is not an option- nor is it a viable option for working between centers if it has less than the 4-1/2' bed for all but short barrels. I use my 9A when I work between centers, and a bigger-bore Sheldon when I want to work through the headstock. Both methods work, and I choose which method based on the requirements of/type of rifle being built.

Problem with older American iron is that because of their age you need to be able to determine whether it's too worn to be able to turn out accurate work. Value for that SB could be anywhere from hundreds to over a couple grand if it's in good condition without excessive wear with a good amount of tooling.

McMillan, Kelbly's, and many others still chamber between centers. Working through the headstock with a spindle bore large enough to do so allows you to get by with a short bed length which is an advantage if you're tight on space. To work "both" ways, you should have 36" between centers, and minimum 1-3/8" spindle bore for 1-1/4" barrel blanks.

"Rigidity", IMO, is relatively unimportant when it comes to working on 1" hollow steel tubes...important for a job shop- not so much in this application. Any lathe needs to be tight, and in alignment to do this work- and I'll take a bechtop lathe that's tight and accurate over a 3,000 lb hunk of cast iron that's clapped out and incapable of turning without a taper or can't hold a thousandth.

 
If your anywhere near MN I have a decent 13x40" south bend that would work great for 99% of the hobby guys out there. Got it, and decided to fix and keep my old Clausing 14x48".
 
Ours needs some paint, but it is still a very capable gunsmithing lathe.

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I had a Clausing lathe, now I have a Chinese lathe. There are too many guy after too few old American lathes, but plenty of used American mills to go around.
 
I came across an SB13 with a 5' bed for $2500. It comes with a good bit of tooling. Anything I should look out for? Avoid an SB13?
Also, how difficult to disassemble to move it into a basement?
 
The 13 is pretty good GS lathe head stock is a hair long but workable. I would make sure it has the large hole in the head stock. 3 Phase power an issue for you? IMO that would be a PIA to get into a basement for the average person. It could be done if you are resourceful but not going to be a walk in the park. I put a cherry picker in the basement and plank the stairs use a chainfall for a controlled decent blah blah blah you get the idea. I know one thing Im too to do it ;)
 
I took mine apart and moved it to the basement.
Figure about how many guys you need, then add two more.
While it is apart, clean it well. I would also suggest stripping old paint and do a new coat. I didn’t and now wish I would have.

I took everything off the bed that would come off easily. Then had two 2x12s screwed together then lag bolted the bed to these. Makes it go down the stairs flat.

I made sure I had at least a couple of younger guys with weak minds and strong backs.
 
So apparently it is not a SB13, it is a 14.5 CL 185 C
Why do you say that? The SB 13" lathe was produced in bed lengths of 4,5,6,7 and 8 foot lengths. Between centers was from 16"-64" for the various models. I have a SB 13 with a 6' bed, built in 1971, I estimated the weight at 1200 lbs. I love it for what I do.
 
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Why do you say that? The SB 13" lathe was produced in bed lengths of 4,5,6,7 and 8 foot lengths. Between centers was from 16"-64" for the various models. I have a SB 13 with a 6' bed, built in 1971, I estimated the weight at 1200 lbs. I love it for what I do.
Seller sent me the model number
 

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