New JOYpod feet from Seb

[XTR]

I've been using a flexible mat for 6+ yrs. I've specifically asked the NRA referee at 2 nationals, and the Referee/Match director at two world championships. Answer has been the same every time, it's not a board, it's fine. I put my carpet on top of it.

Some of you guys read like you are Service Rifle shooters who see rules violations in every shadow.

 

[skibar_tx]

The rules specifically say that carpet can be used under a bipod. The rules do not specify that the feet of the bipod remain a certain width, or have no linear grooves. So if you are getting beat by people who abide by these rules and you blame the carpet they are using, you need to self identify as a "LOSER" or a bad wind reader, OR BOTH.

 

[BP1]

What are you trying to say? I should glue a thick carpet on my board and use it to track?

If you read the rule and look at my rest, you will see that it meets the rule as written and satisfies the intent of the rule. My rest provides zero guidance for the feet the bipod is free to dance on it as it wants. The fact that my rig jumps a third of a degrre to the left and that I can easily slide back in line by just sliding back and firth a few times is proof positive there is no guidance of the feet.

 

[Medium rare]

I’m trying to understand. The argument is that the only substance specifically called out by name as allowed in the rules(ie carpet) is not within the rules if you use it with a Phoenix, duplin, new Joypod, old Joypod with Pohlabel feet.....?

 

[BP1]

What are you trying to say? I should glue a thick carpet on my board and use it to track?

If you read the rule and look at my rest, you will see that it meets the rule as written and satisfies the intent of the rule. My rest provides zero guidance for the feet the bipod is free to dance on it as it wants. The fact that my rig jumps a third of a degrre to the left and that I can easily slide back in line by just sliding back and firth a few times is proof positive there is no guidance of the feet.

I think you are saying it meets the rule the way you understand it and if you will spend some time getting behind the rifle correctly it will take at least 80% of that hop out..and on a side note I use carpet under my Pholabel feet and I can easily reach out and slide my rifle side to side and if I don’t pay attention to getting behind the rifle right it will magically hop to the left.

 

[skibar_tx]

To be honest, Team Texas has engineers working on new feet for the JoyPod. They will be a wider, convex surface area with microscopic dovetail grooves that will resist lateral motion of the bipod on any surface! Oops, perhaps I shouldn’t be talking about that!

 

[Scott Harris]

To be honest, Team Texas has engineers working on new feet for the JoyPod. They will be a wider, convex surface area with microscopic dovetail grooves that will resist lateral motion of the bipod on any surface! Oops, perhaps I shouldn’t be talking about that!

Ha! and others of us will continue watching the flags

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I’m trying to understand. The argument is that the only substance specifically called out by name as allowed in the rules(ie carpet) is not within the rules if you use it with a Phoenix, duplin, new Joypod, old Joypod with Pohlabel feet.....?

Fair enough, let me help you out.

I did not start any argument nor did I ever call into question the legality of the thick carpets with grooves in them. I measured my words precisely; I made a comment that they "give me pause" when I see them used, but I never questioned them nor called them out to officials.

In this thread, all I have been talking about is my experience with the new JOYpod feet and how they work for me. It's disconcerting that I was quickly attacked and impugned for my report. It was even suggested by Otis that I should get a carpet as this would help to control the hop. Then you called into question the legality of my setup because it was not a carpet but rather a slick surface.

WWT, please take a step back. You can continue to use your thick carpet, it doesn't bother me; never did. As for the NRA rules, as usual, they are so badly written, they contradict themselves and then there up for interpretation by someone at some point and then we get a different ruling at another time, another venue.

I had a fun time shooting today; it was nice not to have to worry about the line and just concentrate on shooting. I'm getting my new load up to speed and that's helping a lot. I totally get about spending more time behind a rifle to get better at it; but unfortunately that's just not reality for me. I only get to shoot about once a month at these matches. I'm running to the airport in the morning. Again.


Bottom line though is that I really like the new feet from Seb.

 

[BP1]

Fair enough, let me help you out.

I did not start any argument nor did I ever call into question the legality of the thick carpets with grooves in them. I measured my words precisely; I made a comment that they "give me pause" when I see them used, but I never questioned them nor called them out to officials.

In this thread, all I have been talking about is my experience with the new JOYpod feet and how they work for me. It's disconcerting that I was quickly attacked and impugned for my report. It was even suggested by Otis that I should get a carpet as this would help to control the hop. Then you called into question the legality of my setup because it was not a carpet but rather a slick surface.

WWT, please take a step back. You can continue to use your thick carpet, it doesn't bother me; never did. As for the NRA rules, as usual, they are so badly written, they contradict themselves and then there up for interpretation by someone at some point and then we get a different ruling at another time, another venue.

I had a fun time shooting today; it was nice not to have to worry about the line and just concentrate on shooting. I'm getting my new load up to speed and that's helping a lot. I totally get about spending more time behind a rifle to get better at it; but unfortunately that's just not reality for me. I only get to shoot about once a month at these matches. I'm running to the airport in the morning. Again.


Bottom line though is that I really like the new feet from Seb.

Thanks for clearing that up..Denys I was being a smartass about the carpet it doesn’t help with hop the only thing that does is properly finding that spot that tames the hop..if I don’t find that spot with my setup it will hop left and if it’s good it tracks like a dream even on the Gross pad setup I have if I setup right it’s great if not it hops.Its all in the setup.. I will shoot a Harris there next month so I don’t get the evil eye..

 

[Crow]

Team Texas has engineers working on new feet for the JoyPod. They will be a wider, convex surface area with microscopic dovetail grooves that will resist lateral motion of the bipod on any surface!

Along those lines, I've heard rumors that an independent group of East Texas shooters have been experimenting with a radical new design that replaces the ski-type feet on the Joypod with a long rubber roller mounted on an axle that extends from post to post. Preliminary tests are said to be promising, and if successful, will likely change the state of the art in bipod support pad design.

 

[Medium rare]

Fair enough, let me help you out.

I did not start any argument nor did I ever call into question the legality of the thick carpets with grooves in them. I measured my words precisely; I made a comment that they "give me pause" when I see them used, but I never questioned them nor called them out to officials.

In this thread, all I have been talking about is my experience with the new JOYpod feet and how they work for me. It's disconcerting that I was quickly attacked and impugned for my report. It was even suggested by Otis that I should get a carpet as this would help to control the hop. Then you called into question the legality of my setup because it was not a carpet but rather a slick surface.

WWT, please take a step back. You can continue to use your thick carpet, it doesn't bother me; never did. As for the NRA rules, as usual, they are so badly written, they contradict themselves and then there up for interpretation by someone at some point and then we get a different ruling at another time, another venue.

I had a fun time shooting today; it was nice not to have to worry about the line and just concentrate on shooting. I'm getting my new load up to speed and that's helping a lot. I totally get about spending more time behind a rifle to get better at it; but unfortunately that's just not reality for me. I only get to shoot about once a month at these matches. I'm running to the airport in the morning. Again.


Bottom line though is that I really like the new feet from Seb.

I was joking about your front mat. Obviously it is within the rules. It was just an example about how easy it is to twist the NRA rules to match whatever someone wants. If you think the bipod rules are ambiguous try reading the front rest rules for open. The next question was not directed at you specifically but at anyone who is on this thread questioning the legality of carpet under the bipod. It was a legitimate question. I really don’t understand. If I am wrong I would like to fix it before I am disqualified somewhere.

 

[seb]

Just as a "case study".. picture is thousand of words

(A) Does this bipod / setup meet the rules?


(B) How about using a mat?


(C) I also tried to shoot with my bipod directly on the ground/carpet provided by the shooting range in one or two relays, and I honestly can't see the difference on the paper.

Please tell me.
I will return/send back my medals & patches if you think I was using an illegal feet or setup @ the WARA Queens in Perth sometime ago.

 

[jasmay]

The rules do not say it must be carpet.

The rules say Similarly flexible when referring to the rigidity or a front mat.

You are allowed to also use boards.

I’m not sure if some people are just stirring, but it’s clear with some people’s ability to administer the rules that not everyone would be up to the task of being a range officer...

 

[Bindi2]

Just as a "case study".. picture is thousand of words

(A) Does this bipod / setup meet the rules?
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(B) How about using a mat?
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(C) I also tried to shoot with my bipod directly on the ground/carpet provided by the shooting range in one or two relays, and I honestly can't see the difference on the paper.

Please tell me.
I will return/send back my medals & patches if you think I was using an illegal feet or setup @ the WARA Queens in Perth sometime ago.

Keep your medals and patches Seb you were perfectly legal at Pinjar. The CRO would have said something if you weren't . It was a pleasure to meet you there.

 

[Kurt Blasser]

I received the new feet for my JOYpod. These are made my Seb and you can get them through Ernie Bishop.

They replace the existing feet and add one ounce to the whole unit. I switched out the feet for these new ones in just a few minutes. As we have come to expect from Seb, they are well made and fit perfectly. Just as a note, make sure you screw in the two screws all the way in so there is nothing sticking out to prevent the feet from swiveling freely. You can tighten the horizontal screws to whatever degree you like; I have mine set so the feet adjust nicely, but do not dangle. Add a touch of blue Loctite to keep the setting.

I'm including some pictures.

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Do they pivot?

 

[Medium rare]

Do they pivot?

I believe they do pivot. It looks like Seb did a great job designing the new feet.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Yes, they pivot. I've set mine to pivot easily, but not so they dangle; They stay in position when you lift the rig, but they easily match whatever the cant may be.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Just a few quick thoughts before departure.

I've looked at the video a few more times and I am evolving a hypothesis that the torque engendered by the very fast twist I use with the heavy 230gr bullet is exacerbating the left hop (if not outright causing it.) To counteract that, I think next month, I will raise the right side and keep the left side down and use the cant to level the rifle. Perhaps changing the vector of force on the application of the torque will change the effects.

I really like my 230s and they are coming into their own as I study them more.

 

[seb]

I believe they do pivot. It looks like Seb did a great job designing the new feet.

Dan Pohlabel helped me with the new feet. My new feet is basically the same (pivot) and just using all metal (alum) + polished.

 

[XTR]

Just a few quick thoughts before departure.

I've looked at the video a few more times and I am evolving a hypothesis that the torque engendered by the very fast twist I use with the heavy 230gr bullet is exacerbating the left hop (if not outright causing it.) To counteract that, I think next month, I will raise the right side and keep the left side down and use the cant to level the rifle. Perhaps changing the vector of force on the application of the torque will change the effects.

I really like my 230s and they are coming into their own as I study them more.

The hop is caused because your shoulder is in contact with the butt of the rifle at that point.

Yes, bullets induce torque, but the recoil impulse is straight back, that only changes when the butt contacts something.

Usually the hop left is caused because force into your right shoulder causes the shoulder to move creating an angle that moves the butt right and out of line with the recoil impulse.

Try your vid with free recoil, it won't hop.