Kevin Taylor
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Honestly the only thing I have shot that far was an Abrams, 120 smooth bore. 2200 meters was a piece of cake.
Most accurate caliber out to 2200 yards
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Please keep us updated on this. thanks!
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Not proven in ELR - has definite possibilities. Numbers are just that, targets at 2000 will tell the story if someone shoot the caliber.
Absolutely. I agree. Gotta love those numbers tho. I think you'll see a few at the shoot.
I really think the big hitters for anything from around 1500 yards and out will be a .338 or .375 caliber. You need the bigger heavier bullets for conditions and seeing hits. I have shot all calibers at distance and the smaller the bullet, the harder it is to see and hit things. The farther out you get the worse it becomes. Maybe in good conditions a 30 would work, but good conditions doesn't seem to come at matches often. Matt
Isn't it always the case that we get beat by our own gun when we lend it outIt never fails.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a 300WM for shooting these type of matches. Lots of people are looking for the most ballistic superior cartridge/bullet combination and often do not spend enough time focusing on wind reading.
Coaching is fun and frustrating at the same time. Shooter/coach dynamics come into play and some shooters do not obey the coach because they think they know better and are not on the big eyes. Even with big eyes it was very difficult to see impacts at Blakely this last match given the ground was so wet. Usually mud will fly up, however this was not the case this time.
Yes, the jury is still out on which caliber is best at 2000 yards but the big 338's get my nod. Precision first then accuracy...… I always test with multiple ten shot groups at 1000 yards and lead core jacketed bullets have always come out ahead. Yes, I do shoot solids but only in calibers where lead core bullets are not an option. The length limitation to a good lead core jacketed bullet seems to be about 1.700-1.800" long. It is very difficult to draw a concentric jacket much longer given the stroke length of the machinery currently being used to make jackets. I know of one company that is working towards creating good (long) jacketed bullets in larger calibers .375 and up, however we are a long ways away from seeing any finished product. Sierra makes great bullets and the 300gr 338 shoots fantastic as well as their 350gr .375 Matchking. The 350gr Matchking at 3200fps is a great 2000 round setup. One big advantage of lead core bullets is being able to see the impact on target. The impact signature of a lead bullet is very visible where solids are very difficult to see unless the target is clean and the lighting is just right.
EJ
^^^^^^This is worth reading again.
If precision is the king of marksmanship and accuracy the queen, remove the king from the board and the queen with commanding power in movement is restricted to that of a prison cage. There is no better understanding of this than with a group of benchrest competitors.
Angular precision with precision growth doesn’t work this way but is food for thought. Would three 10 shot groups with an impact velocity of 3000 fps measuring 4”, 5”, and 6” at 100 yards be considered “good to go” for 1000 yard work, 900 yards farther? Then why would three 10 shot groups with an impact velocity of 2300 fps measuring 4”, 5”, and 6” respectfully at, say 1000 yards, be considered “good to go” for work 1000 yards farther?
With the king of precision and queen of accuracy, much beyond 2K on a same sized board………..the king has no clothes and the queen is a drunk!
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There is NO replacement for actual testing at 2000 yards. - What shoots small @ 1000 yards may not even get 5 shots on paper at 2K. - Was proven at E2K at Broadwater in Townsend, MT in Aug. 2018.
There is NO replacement for a real world test that I'm anywhere comfortable with at that range.
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One Last comment on this thread as I feel no further purpose to belabor the topic. - Facts are Facts and my fore-going statement is based on that.
Mr. Tom Mousel is the current E2K Group record holder - Fact - and was witnessed by all competitor's who shot the 2 day event.
I am the current E2K Score record holder - Fact & again witnessed by the shooters.
Heather shot the Smallest group in the entire competition with Jeff's 416 wildcat, but this was a "once of" occurrence as previous groups & scores were not indicative of this accuracy from that gun & the multiple persons who shot it. - Not trying to take Anything away from that small group Or the person who shot it at all - Again stating Facts of what occurred during the match.
- One common thing for both Tom & myself, both of us were shooting .338 Lapua Improved's with the same type of powder both very close in charge weight, both shooting the same 300 gr. Berger Hybrids.
Right now the "marks" have been set in the First match in this type of competition. - Are there other "viable" possible solutions for accuracy. - Yes I believe so - But again they need to be Tested & Proven.
I would kindly urge folks to get out and actually shoot at 2000 with all of your respective calibers. - There is where the answers are at. - We can talk about this until the cows come home, but until others best the current marks and gather & post some real-world witnessed results then the "facts" of the matter is as I've stated above in regards to group shooting (5 shots on paper, for group & score) at 2000 yards.
- Ron -
Mr. Tom Mousel is the current E2K Group record holder - Fact - and was witnessed by all competitor's who shot the 2 day event.
I am the current E2K Score record holder - Fact & again witnessed by the shooters.
Heather shot the Smallest group in the entire competition with Jeff's 416 wildcat, but this was a "once of" occurrence as previous groups & scores were not indicative of this accuracy from that gun & the multiple persons who shot it. - Not trying to take Anything away from that small group Or the person who shot it at all - Again stating Facts of what occurred during the match.
- One common thing for both Tom & myself, both of us were shooting .338 Lapua Improved's with the same type of powder both very close in charge weight, both shooting the same 300 gr. Berger Hybrids.
Right now the "marks" have been set in the First match in this type of competition. - Are there other "viable" possible solutions for accuracy. - Yes I believe so - But again they need to be Tested & Proven.
I would kindly urge folks to get out and actually shoot at 2000 with all of your respective calibers. - There is where the answers are at. - We can talk about this until the cows come home, but until others best the current marks and gather & post some real-world witnessed results then the "facts" of the matter is as I've stated above in regards to group shooting (5 shots on paper, for group & score) at 2000 yards.
- Ron -
Ron, thank you for this post. Do you mind sharing what powder you are using and also the degree of the shoulder of your 338 lapua improved?
Use this table to pick a caliber and charge weight that gives 5000 round barrel life.
33 caliber burning 45 grains of powder gets 4509 rounds of best accuracy, 90 grains gets 1127.
I predict Tubb's 375 will get about 1000 rounds of accurate barrel life burning 120 grains of powder.
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might you expand on this please, it is of interest to me thanks jeff
Google positive compensation. I have never seen much about trying to tune for different distances at a shoot.
Hornady wins another one.
Kinda of sad really. Good for Hornady to pick up that contract. The real question is, was it the best option performance wise for the goal they were trying to reach. I think not. The 300 Norma Mag is a superior cartridge to the 300 PRC. If my information is correct, the 300 PRC is a 300 mag +P type performance. Berger, Norma and even Hornady makes loaded ammo for the Norma. Really makes no sense in terms of choice if they wanted the best ELR cartridge available and the 338 Lapua was probably even better as an option.
What's that prove? I remember they picked a 223 semi that jammed all the time for Vietnam. Matt
Brians356
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Gee, that's relevant. Only 55 years ago. I suppose they'll never live it down.
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Probably that just because it's the US Government, their decisions suck worse than most.
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