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250 Savage: RIP.

Tommie -

Howdy !

The 22" barrel M-77 .250 -3000 I used to have was a death ray on groundhogs.

I remain so impressed by the .250-3000, that I'm considering using the case in a 1,000yd-capable
dual-role' varmint/target rifle. Besides its application to " Soybeanus Digestus ", mine would also
be used on a future PD trip.

In the later role' , I see potential bennies of shooting .250-3000 in a high expansion ratio rifle.
I've done math for barrel lengths in the 29-31" range.

The new Hornady .25" caliber 110gr ELD-X holds appeal, and deliverable energy looks good for
even 1,000yd shooting.

I like to shoot high load densities when I can, so along w/ the long barrel; I'd be going w/ a powder having a slower than typical powder burn. It'd be a powder w/ proven temp insensitivity, perhaps w/ a burn rate as "slow" as IMR4955. Range testing would tell the tale.

I've not seen many heavy-barreled .250-3000's over the past few decades ( in person, on the Net, or in magazines ). Certainly not any configures as heavy varmint / target rifles w/ a wt of likely 17lb + .


With regards,
357Mag


Here are a couple heavy barreled 250s for ya.

The red one is a 250 Savage I built for my brother on an old 96 swede Mauser action. He is probably the biggest .250 fan I know. He's also the reason I have such a love for them as well. The blue stocked one is a 6.5 Creedmoor I built for our friend that shoots with us. Both rifles feature full bull Shilen barrels 30" on the 250 and 26" on the Creed.

The other one is a Rugger 77 that we put together for my brothers boy. His features a 26" full bull Shilen and since he loves military aircraft I gave him a cool Jolly Rodgers paint scheme.

Long heavy barreled 250s create quite a bit of horse power. They were getting over 2900fps with 115gr Bergers and H4350. We built these for our monthly prairie dog fun match. They hold their own but you definitely need to read the wind well past 400 yards.
 

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What kind of brass life do you guys get out of the 250 Savage? I've loaded for a couple 99's and I had an Encore in that chambering, and iirc 5-6 bangs and they were stretched pretty bad. An yes I watched set back closely. Barlow
 
I make my own for the bolt guns out of Lake City Match cases. They are good and strong and I don't even know how many firings on that stuff. In my 99 I am just using Remington brass. I am on my 3rd firing on those cases and yeah they stretch a bit but I think that's more of a 99 thing than anything. I anneal regularly and so far so good.
 
I make my own for the bolt guns out of Lake City Match cases. They are good and strong and I don't even know how many firings on that stuff. In my 99 I am just using Remington brass. I am on my 3rd firing on those cases and yeah they stretch a bit but I think that's more of a 99 thing than anything. I anneal regularly and so far so good.
I neck up 22/250 laupua brass and outside turn off the donut you will have to do that to chamber and its well worth the trouble for accuracy and longevity.
 
STOMP442 -

Howdy !

Thanx for your input and pic's ! Nice to see such a rifle brought to fruition !

How much does that heavy barreled .250-300 shown, weigh ?


With regards,
357Mag
 
Here are a couple heavy barreled 250s for ya.

His features a 26" full bull Shilen and since he loves military aircraft I gave him a cool Jolly Rodgers paint scheme.

Jolly Roger is the tail markings for Navy Squadron VF-103. At least when they flew F-14's. I don't know if they are still active.
 
STOMP442 -

Howdy !

Thanx for your input and pic's ! Nice to see such a rifle brought to fruition !

How much does that heavy barreled .250-300 shown, weigh ?


With regards,
357Mag
If I remember right it was right on 17lbs. I remember it weighing less than I thought it would.
 
Each time a read a thread asking “What deer cartridge for my wife (or son, daughter, grandchild)?” my first thought is always the wonderful 250 Savage. Superbly balanced, efficient, light-recoiling and deadly. For decades it was a huge deer hunting favorite. It’s hard to imagine a slicker venison harvester than a Model 99 in 250 Savage. Now this grand old chambering is relegated to special order status. At best. Ammunition is manufactured in small runs and is getting tougher to find.

I’m all about cool hotrods but too many excellent cartridges are withering away. Somehow we’ve become convinced that deer (and most other game animals) have become immensely more difficult to dispatch than in years past. Teddy Roosevelt managed great success hunting lions with a “puny” lever action .405 Winchester.

Maybe the 250-3000 will make a comeback. Just call it the 25 Creedmoor.
Hornady has started making 250 savage ammo and brass. Yeah!
 
You always have a rifle you regret selling unless your that guy that doesn’t sell your firearms and still have the first centerfire you ever owned. Sadly, I’m not that guy. Two rifles I regret selling is an old brass counter Savage in 250 savage and a Little Sako I had rebarreled to 250 savage AI.
It only took 1 minute to find one on Gunbroker! Go get it! Life’s too short!9CD37A8E-A487-4742-95B9-25A8F3DDB3A3.png
 
I had gotten a sporter barrel chambered in 250 Savage from E.R. Shaw on an "over run special" for $100 about 5 years ago.
When the barrel was shot out on my Stevens 200 i screwed on the 250 barrel.

It's been a fine coyote rifle using the Sierra 75gr HP Varmint & 90gr BlitzKings out to 400 yards.

Last year i decided to use it deer hunting in an area where shots beyond 100 yards are rare.
I loaded it with 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tips over a charge of RL17.

Performance on deer was somewhat under my hopes. It worked, but the 257 Roberts with the higher velocities worked much better in my opinion.

I was in the process of building a short range bench rest rifle based on the 250 Savage.
Savage action.
26" heavy varmint Shilen barrel from Northland.
Rifle Basix trigger (modified).
PTG ground recoil lug.

Got stuck on the stock. BR stocks aren't cheap i found out.
Now with lack of time (working 6 days a week) and lack of primers the project is on indefinite hold.
 
Gonna keep this party running !
I have always wanted a Savage 99 in 250 Savage.
I would have preferred a later model with the 1:10 twist, but the GB prices seemed stupid high for a rifle that everyone claimed was shooting an inferior round, and of the later models, one just sold for over $1,300.00.
Way more than I would ever pay for one.
I ended up finding one at an FFL who was doing a stock repair for my Schmidt-Rubin 1911.
He parted with it for $650.00.
It was made in 1935, was in super nice condition, was drilled and tapped and came with the Redfield base that uses the Leupold one piece scope mount, 11 rounds loaded with 100gr bullets, a new box of Speer Hot-Cor 87 grain, an open box of 85gr bullets (Sierra if I remember correctly), a new box of Hornady 75gr Vmax bullets, and 150 pieces of virgin brass.
I was not gonna cry. Nope. Not one tear shed over this score.
I purchased the correct mount and a Leupold Vari-X III 3-9X40, loaded a couple dozen of each bullet, mounted the scope, and went to the range.
I was initially disappointed because no matter how high I set my elevation, I was still shooting 2.5" low, but you could cover the holes with a dime.
That, and that the 100gr bullets didn't keyhole made me smile a little.
A quick shim under the rear of the scope base and another trip to the range a week later, and I was hitting center bullseye at 100 yards, again with all 5 shot groups inside a dime.
I was super excited to hunt with this one.... so I did.
On opening day this season, I popped a big doe at about 25 yards.
I though I missed because she galloped off about 40 feet behind some brush and I didn't see her after that.
I waited about 20 minutes and went looking for her because now my curiosity got the better of me.
I found her right behind the brush.
Very small entrance wound as would be expected, but also a relatively small exit wound with very little blood surrounding it.
She was certainly dead, but my instinct told me to get back in the stand because sometimes bucks will wind the urine of a dead doe and come looking.
I was in the stand for about 10 minutes when I caught another doe to my right about 40 yards out.
She saw me turn so we played a little game of hide and seek while she cautiously progressed out of behind the brush she ducked behind.
Sure enough, she gave me a shot, but this one literally flipped on her back, kicked three times, and stopped moving.
Already impressed with this little "cartridge that couldn't" according to the naysayers, I set to the ugly part of hunting...
Inside the first one, the larger of the two, the heart and lungs were jelly if not liquified. She literally hemorrhaged internally and it was a bloody mess. I also noticed that the rears of her shoulders were bruised and clotted internally and that from inside the rib cage, the exit wound had a 3" bruise around it.
Now I was super impressed.
Turns out ditto for the smaller one.
While the entry and exit wounds had little story to tell, the 87gr pill at a clocked average of 3,045 FPS created an incredible shock wave and did exactly what the 250 Savage has been doing since the early 1900's.... killing deer effectively.
I will eventually find one of the more modern ones with the 1:10 twist so I can bump up to 115/117gr bullets, but I'm in no rush at this point.
I can't wait til next season already !
 
Man, this thread really grew a long pair of legs! Nearly 5 years with members still interested in offering their opinions.

Fortunately, there are several thread from the recent to the last few years offering information regarding the .250 Savage and how it performs. Two drawbacks to the older rifles are the slow twist rate and the much lower pressure based on the platform being used. Now, don't get all excited and frothing at the mouth to crucify me, these rifles still work and harvest deer every year, just work with the restraints.

Instead of the hand wringing about lack of brass, Hornady does make it and it is available currently. It's fine for the lower pressure platforms since Hornady brass is soft to begin with and the lighter loads will work perfect. In that same vein, Prvi Partizan makes .250 Savage and it too is available. If you are lamenting the lack of quality brass, Lapua .22-250 will make perfect 250 Savage with a final forming following necking up. I wound up with a good supply of Lapua .22-250 brass so I supplemented my diminishing supply of 250 Savage by modifying those cases.

If for some reason none of this appeals to you, I seriously suggest using something currently available such as the 25 Creedmoor. Yes, I know, I've read all the slanderous posts regard these fine cartridges. But the 25 Creedmoor loaded with your favorite bullet and appropriate powder choice is nothing short of superb. Besides, the modern alloy brass and forming processes make this an excellent choice. If for some reason you dig in your heels at the mere mention of anything Creedmoor, you have only your self to blame for missing out. It's fine, you leave more for the rest of us to buy.

Another well thought out wildcat is the .25x47 Lapua. This can make for an excellent shorter barrel, lighter carbine-style rifle for our members of smaller stature. It's mild in recoil yet accurate when the rest of the platform is handled correctly by a qualified gunsmith.

Lots of choices when the nostalgia wears off and you want to move on.

;)
 
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