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Why 6 BRA?

I know if I am ever lucky enough to have this much success with another case I sure wont be nice enough to give away the prints and load data. If people are going to imply I am pushing something to line my pockets, I might as well keep it secret and line my pockets.

Admittedly, I have given you Bra guys crap over acting like it's a magic pill. I even joked once about y'all sleeping at nite. I do however want to be crystal clear...I don't think it's a ploy for y'all to line your pockets. Whether it's a dasher/brx/bra you make the same spinning barrels up.

You've obviously done testing to convince yourselves it's better. I've not tried one but I'm not convinced...maybe I will or maybe I won't. Point is, it's not going to turn an average weekend warrior into a winning machine. I've figured out a long time ago, there is no shortcuts in this game...nothing beats throwing bullets down range.

I also will say I've never really understood the whole "it's easier to form brass" because I've never had an issue with the false shoulder method of forming either brx or dasher. I do get some short ones sometimes but I don't get many.

Bottom line, I think it's cool you've shared your experience and I do appreciate it regardless if I ever build or spin a dasher killer ;)
 
Admittedly, I have given you Bra guys crap over acting like it's a magic pill. I even joked once about y'all sleeping at nite. I do however want to be crystal clear...I don't think it's a ploy for y'all to line your pockets. Whether it's a dasher/brx/bra you make the same spinning barrels up.

You've obviously done testing to convince yourselves it's better. I've not tried one but I'm not convinced...maybe I will or maybe I won't. Point is, it's not going to turn an average weekend warrior into a winning machine. I've figured out a long time ago, there is no shortcuts in this game...nothing beats throwing bullets down range.

I also will say I've never really understood the whole "it's easier to form brass" because I've never had an issue with the false shoulder method of forming either brx or dasher. I do get some short ones sometimes but I don't get many.

Bottom line, I think it's cool you've shared your experience and I do appreciate it regardless if I ever build or spin a dasher killer ;)
Never said it would turn a weekend warrior into a winner. Actually I have said it will take the yver best shooter to see the difference, but its there. Loading a case with no other work other than turning the neck is easier than forming a false shoulder or hydro forming. I cant see how anyone would argue that? If your brand new cases, vary .003" in oal length and still vary .003" in oal after you shoot them your doing well. If they vary more, your causing it. Thats why I liked hydro forming dasher cases. Very consistent oal lengths after fireforming. I guess its one of those things very similar to the 100yd tuning vs 1000yd tuning arguments. I just do not understand how people can form solid opinions when they have not tried both methods?
 
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I don't know if anyone has said that the BRA is more accurate than the Dasher. What they have said is that based on experience it is as accurate and that nodes are broader, which would make it easier to keep in tune. Also, the longer neck of the BRA seems to give longer barrel life. Those are advantages. Whether they are important to you is another matter. If I had a Dasher that was performing well, I would probably stick with that, but since I am in the process of building my first long range benchrest rifle, the BRA seems to be an easy choice....and then there are always those that like to try something different every so often.
 
Never said it would turn a weekend warrior into a winner. Actually I have said it will take the yver best shooter to see the difference, but its there. Loading a case with no other work other than turning the neck is easier than forming a false shoulder or hydro forming. I cant see how anyone would argue that? If your brand new cases, vary .003" in oal length and still vary .003" in oal after you shoot them your doing well. If they vary more, your causing it. Thats why I liked hydro forming dasher cases. Very consistent oal lengths after fireforming. I guess its one of those things very similar to the 100yd tuning vs 1000yd tuning arguments. I just do not understand how people can form solid opinions when they have not tried both methods?


You're right, you've never said that but the hype has built that persona. I'm not arguing the easier part but it's literally one extra step (expanding to create the false shoulder). My point is, that's such a non-issue that it shouldn't even be a decision factor.

Not sure what you're trying to say with the open mind point of hydro or tuning. I didn't state an opinion of either of those...one way or the other.
 
Thats pretty much spot on. The BRA will agg a little better in my opinion, but I dont see anything to make me think it will group better when they are both having a good tune day. Why have my customers had far more success with the BRA than the Dasher? You tell me, the throat design is the same - .035" in length.
You're right, you've never said that but the hype has built that persona. I'm not arguing the easier part but it's literally one extra step (expanding to create the false shoulder). My point is, that's such a non-issue that it shouldn't even be a decision factor.

Not sure what you're trying to say with the open mind point of hydro or tuning. I didn't state an opinion of either of those...one way or the other.
No I meant with the BRA not the forming. How can so many form opinions without having experience with the case? I get it, a small change that should not seem enough to matter. Id be very skeptical too.
 
I also will say I've never really understood the whole "it's easier to form brass" because I've never had an issue with the false shoulder method of forming either brx or dasher. I do get some short ones sometimes but I don't get many.

I will say that the 6BRA fireforms way better than the Dasher with false shoulder. My forming loads shot much more accurately, no lost cases to split shoulders with the 6BRA where the Dasher lost about 3-4 per 100 cases. Blow lengths are very consistent, not even sure I'm going to need to trim my 6 BRA brass to even them up.
 
I’d agree with Sheldon N, ff BRA is as easy as loading for straight BR and shooting, for me the ff loads were more accurate than Dasher ff and BRA brass was 100% uniform. For those that feel Hydroforming or false shoulder is a none issue good for you, but for myself I like not having that extra step or two.
 
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Hate to hijack this but...anyone have a no turn neck/around .105 freebore reamer they would be willing to rent? Could ship straight to my Smith, well known member on here.
 
Just checked the lands on my first bra and they moved a total of 0.004 after approximately 400 rounds. Have not shot too many 10 shot strings but shooting LG 5 shot strings in about 10 to 12 seconds. Compared to several Dasher barrels that move almost twice that.
Would you say the longer neck is the cause of this or just using a smaller amount of powder?
 
From reading a while back, many relate it to the heat convergence point during firing. A short neck with a 20 degree shoulder can be related to flood beam flashlight and will scorch the throat immediately exiting the case neck. A long neck with 30 to 40 degree shoulder can be related to a spot beam flashlight and will retain pressure inside the chamber longer/better resulting in a heat blast being directed do the barrel. Of course, you can read other saying this it BS all day long ;-)
Count me in the latter. I believe barrel wear is a function of heat and duration, aside from barrel attributes. I may be wrong but all I've seen in regard to this is theoretical. I would like to be proven right or wrong by something more scientific, though.
 

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