Anschutz barrels are pinned just like the Suhl 150's.
22 bolt rimfire
- Thread starter SheepDog
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Drover.
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C-0, P-1.3, T-4.1, R- 7.3
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Are these numbers total or cumulative?
You move up 1.3, then an additional 4.1 or Total 4.1?
David
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C-0, P-1.3, T-4.1, R- 7.3
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Are these numbers total or cumulative?
You move up 1.3, then an additional 4.1 or Total 4.1?
David
Thauglor
Silver $$ Contributor
If you go the CZ route, you will still end up behind the custom hunter rifles built on Anschutz 54 actions with the 5018 trigger.
I have a mr. Fly cz455 trigger installed on my fiance's cz, upped to 2.1 lbs and my 5018 trigger is still a step ahead of it. The cz455 American will get you into AAA, the custom Anschutz will do it easier and faster.
Hoser
Gold $$ Contributor
100% agree.
I don't know anyone near the top of the game that holds over.
Everyone shoots subs through a 16 or 17 twist barrel and dials the exact elevation on their turret.
Dial elevation, hold wind. Unless the wind os rock solid steady.
Get an Anschutz 1710 or a 54, send it to Evelio McDonald and call it good.
I don't know anyone near the top of the game that holds over.
Everyone shoots subs through a 16 or 17 twist barrel and dials the exact elevation on their turret.
Dial elevation, hold wind. Unless the wind os rock solid steady.
Get an Anschutz 1710 or a 54, send it to Evelio McDonald and call it good.
As stated the scope is marked in MOA with 1/4" per click. I establish my zero at chickens, I then set my elevation knob to zero - 0.
I also note how many bars are showing under my windage and elevation knobs and mark that on my tape that has my come-ups it, that way I am sure that my scope is set a true zero and that my knobs my have accidentally been turned out a revolution.
My scope elevation knobs are marked in MOA with 1/4" change per click. For chickens my elevation knob is set on - 0, so this is my base 0.
For pigs I come up to 1.3 or one inch and three clicks above it for a total of 7 clicks above base 0.
For turkeys I am up to 4.1 inch or 17 clicks above base 0.
For rams I am up to 7.3 inch or 31 clicks above base 0.
When I finish a bank of animals, I set my elevation for my net bank of animals, and adjust my parallax. That way when my next relay is called all I have to do is take a look at my scope to verify that it is all set for that bank of animals.
Hope I didn't try to over-explain the process.
drover
Thank you, I finally get it.
Shooting the first match of the year Sunday in Waterloo NY.
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I started hunter silhouette with pistol.
Zero for 75 yards.
Shoot at base of chicken where the foot meets the rail. (25 yards)
Shoot at box made by pigs legs (50)
Hold center on turkey (its the hardest for me to hit)
Hold on the top line of the ram. (100 yards)
This works for rimfire and center fire pistol.
Now I am shooting rifle and moving up in equipment.
I have a 64 MS with a 20X scope and a T-36 available.
I shoot irons with an MP R using peep and globe.
Still shooting scope pistol center fire and rimfire.
Learning the adjustments and using them.
Different range and real size targets. I should even have a classification by the end of this year. I have shot 9 in a row, but never 10 chickens and pigs.
David
Shooting the first match of the year Sunday in Waterloo NY.
Edit:
I started hunter silhouette with pistol.
Zero for 75 yards.
Shoot at base of chicken where the foot meets the rail. (25 yards)
Shoot at box made by pigs legs (50)
Hold center on turkey (its the hardest for me to hit)
Hold on the top line of the ram. (100 yards)
This works for rimfire and center fire pistol.
Now I am shooting rifle and moving up in equipment.
I have a 64 MS with a 20X scope and a T-36 available.
I shoot irons with an MP R using peep and globe.
Still shooting scope pistol center fire and rimfire.
Learning the adjustments and using them.
Different range and real size targets. I should even have a classification by the end of this year. I have shot 9 in a row, but never 10 chickens and pigs.
David
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I am currently shooting AAA with my old Remington 581 without making scope adjustments. The only mod to it is a Timney trigger.
It is not about the equipment. When you have to shoot standing with no support on the gun, not even a sling, you need to be able to shoot. A $1400 target rifle will not help you hit that little ram at 100 yards or the tiny turkey if you can't hold the rifle on target.
My Remington is an old gun but it can still shoot. It just gets blown around in the wind (and me with it). The ammo I use is affected by the bullet gyrations when it goes transonic. I believe that a faster twist will minimize the gyrations and their effect on bullet paths.
My 9mm is more stable through the transition and it has a 1:10 twist. I have a gun that shoots .357 bullets with a 1:10 twist and it shoots caliber size and sub caliber sized groups. The only time a faster twist is bad is if your bullets are disintegrating or you are shooting at distances where the bullet needs to be better aligned with the actual bullet path (600 yards and beyond). At 100 yards I do pretty good with my pistols and rifles. I am better with the rifles from the bench but I just need to get used to holding the rifle and build those muscles up. I need to do better in the winds if I am ever going to get to the "master" class.
Drover, There is no way that I can shoot the same size groups off-hand that I do from the bench. If I could I would easily be shooting in the master class. What I meant to say was that the groups shooting target ammo or my high velocity ammo off-hand made little difference in the size of the group. Yes we are shooting regulation size targets - though I swear that they sometimes shrink between events.
My back problems are from a severe auto accident 11 years ago. I was rear-ended sitting at a stop light. I lost the use of my right arm - had surgery to repair the nerve damage and got it back to 90%. I lost the use of my right lung and had another surgery to fix that. Since healing from the surgeries and taking myself off the methadone that they put me on for long term pain management (without my doctor knowing) I am finally in a place where I can get stronger. The silhouette matches, three gun, steel challenge and falling plates are all therapy for me. I am not as good as I used to be, but I am getting better. My wife says my years on methadone has affected my memory - she might be right. I have been known to forget to work the bolt in a match a time or two. (and wonder why the trigger won't work)
All that crap aside I shot a match last Tuesday (club match) and shot a low AAA score. I typically get better during the summer months so I'll be shooting at all three matches each month. I also practice between matches in good weather. At our range we have a saying, "The wind only blows when you're shooting." and Tuesday it was at 20mph with gusts to 35. One of the regulars was having trouble and I found out he was shooting the odd pieces of ammo left over. When he switched back to the ammo he sighted in with, his scores came up a lot.
It is not about the equipment. When you have to shoot standing with no support on the gun, not even a sling, you need to be able to shoot. A $1400 target rifle will not help you hit that little ram at 100 yards or the tiny turkey if you can't hold the rifle on target.
My Remington is an old gun but it can still shoot. It just gets blown around in the wind (and me with it). The ammo I use is affected by the bullet gyrations when it goes transonic. I believe that a faster twist will minimize the gyrations and their effect on bullet paths.
My 9mm is more stable through the transition and it has a 1:10 twist. I have a gun that shoots .357 bullets with a 1:10 twist and it shoots caliber size and sub caliber sized groups. The only time a faster twist is bad is if your bullets are disintegrating or you are shooting at distances where the bullet needs to be better aligned with the actual bullet path (600 yards and beyond). At 100 yards I do pretty good with my pistols and rifles. I am better with the rifles from the bench but I just need to get used to holding the rifle and build those muscles up. I need to do better in the winds if I am ever going to get to the "master" class.
Drover, There is no way that I can shoot the same size groups off-hand that I do from the bench. If I could I would easily be shooting in the master class. What I meant to say was that the groups shooting target ammo or my high velocity ammo off-hand made little difference in the size of the group. Yes we are shooting regulation size targets - though I swear that they sometimes shrink between events.
My back problems are from a severe auto accident 11 years ago. I was rear-ended sitting at a stop light. I lost the use of my right arm - had surgery to repair the nerve damage and got it back to 90%. I lost the use of my right lung and had another surgery to fix that. Since healing from the surgeries and taking myself off the methadone that they put me on for long term pain management (without my doctor knowing) I am finally in a place where I can get stronger. The silhouette matches, three gun, steel challenge and falling plates are all therapy for me. I am not as good as I used to be, but I am getting better. My wife says my years on methadone has affected my memory - she might be right. I have been known to forget to work the bolt in a match a time or two. (and wonder why the trigger won't work)
All that crap aside I shot a match last Tuesday (club match) and shot a low AAA score. I typically get better during the summer months so I'll be shooting at all three matches each month. I also practice between matches in good weather. At our range we have a saying, "The wind only blows when you're shooting." and Tuesday it was at 20mph with gusts to 35. One of the regulars was having trouble and I found out he was shooting the odd pieces of ammo left over. When he switched back to the ammo he sighted in with, his scores came up a lot.
David,
I used to shoot Hunter's Pistol! Back then AAA was as high as you could go in the classes. I shot for three years and the last two were at AAA level - with a Ruger Security-Six revolver that was box stock. I had a hard time with the turkeys so I sighted the gun in at 75. I had to hold even with the backs on rams, the belly on the pigs and at the leg/body junction on the chickens. I was the high scorer in the club matches. I quit when politics got to be too much but I have always enjoyed shooting my pistols at longer ranges.
I used to shoot Hunter's Pistol! Back then AAA was as high as you could go in the classes. I shot for three years and the last two were at AAA level - with a Ruger Security-Six revolver that was box stock. I had a hard time with the turkeys so I sighted the gun in at 75. I had to hold even with the backs on rams, the belly on the pigs and at the leg/body junction on the chickens. I was the high scorer in the club matches. I quit when politics got to be too much but I have always enjoyed shooting my pistols at longer ranges.
Thauglor
Silver $$ Contributor
It will help you. After building my custom gun, and using quality ammo, my scores have been steadily increasing. I now know if i miss it was me, and not the gun/ammo/scope. I can improve myself much faster and better.
SheepDog said:
Not to be a jerk, but why do you want to build a new silhouette rifle if the rifle has nothing to do with it?
This has been done many times before, consensus is use the Anschutz with the 5018 trigger.
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Thouglor,
If the rules would allow me to put a weight on my barrel, I wouldn't bother building a rifle.
If I understand my English correctly a consensus is when all agree. Where I shoot the only consensus is that you need a scope.
Define consensus: a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group
The most expensive guns on the range are 10/22s that have had $1500+ put into them and only one of them beats my scores. He has been a competition shooter and instructor (military) most of his adult life. He is a great shooter and a nice guy. I don't think anyone is competing against anyone else, its just a shoot where we shoot to improve ourselves. I know as long as I'm getting better it doesn't matter who is better or worse. We try to help each other out and throw jibes every chance we get.
If the rules would allow me to put a weight on my barrel, I wouldn't bother building a rifle.
If I understand my English correctly a consensus is when all agree. Where I shoot the only consensus is that you need a scope.
Define consensus: a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group
The most expensive guns on the range are 10/22s that have had $1500+ put into them and only one of them beats my scores. He has been a competition shooter and instructor (military) most of his adult life. He is a great shooter and a nice guy. I don't think anyone is competing against anyone else, its just a shoot where we shoot to improve ourselves. I know as long as I'm getting better it doesn't matter who is better or worse. We try to help each other out and throw jibes every chance we get.
redrockranger
Silver $$ Contributor
Does anyone have experience with the Savage B22 rimfire rifle ? Looks to have a threaded barrel with a barrel nut. Accuracy and if there have been problems ?
Thanks
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Boyd L.
Witty comment under development
Interesting thread.
I have rebarrelled and restocked three 580 series rifles just to get more weight out front. All have take-off barrels and two of the three shoot very well off hand.
If you have access to a lathe and mill, and have the appropriate chambering reamer, it's pretty simple to machine components to fit the 581 receiver and use Loc-Tite (I used 609 on an Anschutz) to affix the barrel. Problem solved.
Agreed, but one afternoon Boyd Goldsby used a frame hold to gain enough elevation for a 200 yard rimfire match; put a whoop'n on all of us. He dropped a point when the target pulling pasted on a new target. Boyd is a machine.
Sheepdog,
Are you shooting regulation smallbore rifle silhouettes at your club? I am curious because if you are shooting that good on regulation sized silhouettes you are a hard-holder.
A little story about non-regulation size targets - Years ago one of the local clubs had monthly matches, everyone shot better at that club than anywhere else, usually by 4 to 5 points, we all thought it was because it was in a fairly sheltered area that did not get much wind. In looking at the silhouettes one day I noticed that they had been cut with a torch rather than being the usual cast silhouettes that other clubs used, in talking with the guy that made them he had used regulation sized silhouettes and traced them with a welders chalk, but when he cut them he had cut on the outside of the chalk line. In comparing their silhouettes with a regulation set they were about a 1/4 inch larger, consequently what was occurring was shots that were "just off the edge" on regulation silhouettes were "just on" on these because quite often the bullet would catch the edge because of the extra 1/4 inch.
Another story from the early days of smallbore rifle silhouette - this was a different club where I had never shot but I kept talking to guys from that area and was hearing reports of really high scores, at this time 28/40 - 29/40 were winning State and Nationals, and these guys were shooting those scores regularly. Even though it was quite a drive I decided to go one week-end, as soon as I got there I saw why they were shooting such high scores - they were shooting pistol silhouette targets set at rifle smallbore rifle silhouette distances. There are apparently quite a few club matches where this is done to this day, my brother shoots at one and they are just a bunch of old guys having fun but their scores are not relevant to real world smallbore rifle silhouette.
Rifles - since you have a 581 with a Timney re-barrel it to a heavier contour, the 581 has one of the fastest lock-times of rifle, I can guarantee you it will be a better base for a silhouette rifle than the CZ. Early in my early career I picked up a few 580 (single shot version), sent them to Remington and had a heavier 540 target rifle barrel installed, put it in a Fajen silhouette stock and had a competitive rifle for very little money. Even now there are quite a few shooters in the Northwest who are shooting restocked and re-barreled 580/581's because the lock time is so quick on them.
You are shooting the solution to your problem right now! Once you come around to shooting standard velocity ammo and adjusting scopes you may be a National champion.
drover
p.s - in thinking back that 580 I built was when my scores started jumping up
Are you shooting regulation smallbore rifle silhouettes at your club? I am curious because if you are shooting that good on regulation sized silhouettes you are a hard-holder.
A little story about non-regulation size targets - Years ago one of the local clubs had monthly matches, everyone shot better at that club than anywhere else, usually by 4 to 5 points, we all thought it was because it was in a fairly sheltered area that did not get much wind. In looking at the silhouettes one day I noticed that they had been cut with a torch rather than being the usual cast silhouettes that other clubs used, in talking with the guy that made them he had used regulation sized silhouettes and traced them with a welders chalk, but when he cut them he had cut on the outside of the chalk line. In comparing their silhouettes with a regulation set they were about a 1/4 inch larger, consequently what was occurring was shots that were "just off the edge" on regulation silhouettes were "just on" on these because quite often the bullet would catch the edge because of the extra 1/4 inch.
Another story from the early days of smallbore rifle silhouette - this was a different club where I had never shot but I kept talking to guys from that area and was hearing reports of really high scores, at this time 28/40 - 29/40 were winning State and Nationals, and these guys were shooting those scores regularly. Even though it was quite a drive I decided to go one week-end, as soon as I got there I saw why they were shooting such high scores - they were shooting pistol silhouette targets set at rifle smallbore rifle silhouette distances. There are apparently quite a few club matches where this is done to this day, my brother shoots at one and they are just a bunch of old guys having fun but their scores are not relevant to real world smallbore rifle silhouette.
Rifles - since you have a 581 with a Timney re-barrel it to a heavier contour, the 581 has one of the fastest lock-times of rifle, I can guarantee you it will be a better base for a silhouette rifle than the CZ. Early in my early career I picked up a few 580 (single shot version), sent them to Remington and had a heavier 540 target rifle barrel installed, put it in a Fajen silhouette stock and had a competitive rifle for very little money. Even now there are quite a few shooters in the Northwest who are shooting restocked and re-barreled 580/581's because the lock time is so quick on them.
You are shooting the solution to your problem right now! Once you come around to shooting standard velocity ammo and adjusting scopes you may be a National champion.
drover
p.s - in thinking back that 580 I built was when my scores started jumping up
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germanlongbow
Scott M Bainbridge
It is threaded to the action. Not to be a smart ass. Its a 1997 AMT with lothar walthar barrel. Threaded just like a standard rifle. Not pinned like the Ruger 10/22.
Rutgers aren't pinned , they are held with a dovetail and 2screws .
Dang spell check , Rugers are not pinned , they are held with a dovetail and a block with 2 screws . Easy in easy out .
Almost any bolt 22 can be threaded ( receiver )
germanlongbow
Scott M Bainbridge
Yep. I know that. Semantics.
Drover,
I am sure they are regulation 1/5 scale targets. The local high school makes them for us on a duplicating plasma cutter. They compare well with my printed targets, though some of the older targets are getting shorter due to repairs on the mounts. I am now in charge of the matches (because I submitted some more professional looking paperwork for use in sign-in and record keeping) and took over setting the targets before and taking them down afterwards. I refused the combination to the storage unit as long as I could but now I'm "that guy". I have taken over the repair of broken targets too. The ones with short legs are being repaired as possible and cycled out for new ones as available. We just got a new set made and the first time out all the targets failed due to cold welds at the feet. (the high school students had really good looking but very cold welds) They were ground off and I drilled the feet and plug welded the animals to their feet. They are now solid and I expect that they will last for a few years.
OK, you are saying that I can get GOOD accuracy out of a new barrel pinned to my 581?
I do have a lathe but I had to sell my mill as I just didn't have room for it after I sold my business. I would need to cut the extractor grooves... probably by hand. I believe I have a reamer - I made a rifle barrel for my High Standard pistol many years ago and reamed it... I wonder if it is in with my other reamers... I can always get a new one I suppose. I also cut that barrel for a single extractor.
I want the barrel to be cylinder cut to the same diameter as the action (because I hate that little plastic tapered piece of- - - that it has) and probably 24 inches long. I have no doubt that I can cut a recessed "target" style crown.
Now see what you've done? I'll have to look and see what I can get for a barrel blank. I have to decide on CM or stainless, number of grooves and whether to dovetail for sights. After that I will have to convince my brother to make a stock. (he is the wood-worker and a real craftsman - I do good at making sawdust but not so good at a finished product) Then I have to finish the stock and that raises a whole other set of choices to make.
You are a bad man, a very bad man!
I am sure they are regulation 1/5 scale targets. The local high school makes them for us on a duplicating plasma cutter. They compare well with my printed targets, though some of the older targets are getting shorter due to repairs on the mounts. I am now in charge of the matches (because I submitted some more professional looking paperwork for use in sign-in and record keeping) and took over setting the targets before and taking them down afterwards. I refused the combination to the storage unit as long as I could but now I'm "that guy". I have taken over the repair of broken targets too. The ones with short legs are being repaired as possible and cycled out for new ones as available. We just got a new set made and the first time out all the targets failed due to cold welds at the feet. (the high school students had really good looking but very cold welds) They were ground off and I drilled the feet and plug welded the animals to their feet. They are now solid and I expect that they will last for a few years.
OK, you are saying that I can get GOOD accuracy out of a new barrel pinned to my 581?
I do have a lathe but I had to sell my mill as I just didn't have room for it after I sold my business. I would need to cut the extractor grooves... probably by hand. I believe I have a reamer - I made a rifle barrel for my High Standard pistol many years ago and reamed it... I wonder if it is in with my other reamers... I can always get a new one I suppose. I also cut that barrel for a single extractor.
I want the barrel to be cylinder cut to the same diameter as the action (because I hate that little plastic tapered piece of- - - that it has) and probably 24 inches long. I have no doubt that I can cut a recessed "target" style crown.
Now see what you've done? I'll have to look and see what I can get for a barrel blank. I have to decide on CM or stainless, number of grooves and whether to dovetail for sights. After that I will have to convince my brother to make a stock. (he is the wood-worker and a real craftsman - I do good at making sawdust but not so good at a finished product) Then I have to finish the stock and that raises a whole other set of choices to make.
You are a bad man, a very bad man!
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