No more double-dipping

[Albany Mountain]

It's a rifle competition not a reloading competition. What happens when a crony blows over? Shooter calls a cease fire to correct?? Are we suppose to judge standard deviation versus bullet placement?

Leave it at home for your own time. It's time to perform , not analyze.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

It's a rifle competition not a reloading competition. What happens when a crony blows over? Shooter calls a cease fire to correct?? Are we suppose to judge standard deviation versus bullet placement?

Leave it at home for your own time. It's time to perform , not analyze.

Actually, that's completely wrong. It's a shooting competition, not a rifle competition, which means that reloading is a *huge* component of the game. If people want to use it and the match director allows it at a non-registered match, then I don't see the problem.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

I'll disagree with the idea that it doesn't make someone shoot better. If there is an errant shot, knowing that the velocity is in family (or not) is an advantage in the moment.

Agreed, but only if one knows it in the moment.

Why not allow the data to be collected for after-action analysis and consideration? If the display is not visible to the shooter, then there is no advantage.

 

[carlsbad]

It's a rifle competition not a reloading competition. What happens when a crony blows over? Shooter calls a cease fire to correct?? Are we suppose to judge standard deviation versus bullet placement?

Leave it at home for your own time. It's time to perform , not analyze.

It appears you have plenty of time to do all your development and data gathering. Indeed, some of the members here can shoot in their back yard and load 5 rounds, shoot them, load some more. By the time they go to the match, every detail has been tested.

But others among us can't get to the range much more than 1x/month. I find myself shooting matches with best guess loads based on very limited testing. It would certainly be nice to have velocity data on at least 3 or 4 rounds....

Don't know how familiar you are with a labradar but they don't blow over. They were a real boon to those of us shooting at public ranges since you don't need a cease fire to put them up or take them down. and if one malfunctions only you, the shooter, are inconvenienced. Indeed, if it somehow malfunctioned so badly that you couldn't finish your shots for score, still, only you the shooter are inconvenienced/disqualified.

Some of us can manage a simple piece of equipment and still get 22 to 26 shots off in 22 minutes.

--jerry

 

[okshooter]

Where is this rule. I just looked at the Highpower rulebook as it is published on the NRA's website, updated January 2016, and don't find any mention of chronographs or radars. This does sound like something the NRA would do though.

As has been stated, I don't see any negatives to having a device like the Labradar or Magnetospeed on the firing line. Having used both, and the Labradar in a match, I don't see how they could block another shooter's view of anything. I don't see how they would slow down a match, if you don't get it set up during prep, you take your time away from shooting to mess with it. Since I have seen high velocity shots go low and low velocity shots go high, I don't see how knowing the velocity of the last shot fired helps with the next shot. All these devices do is help a shooter keep better trending data of their equipment to, possibly, allow them to evaluate their equipment and reloading techniques for future matches. Should we outlaw spotting scopes since they clutter the line, and you already have a scope on your rifle in F-class?

Saying that we aren't allowing them because it runs the cost of the sport up is crazy when we have $2,000 to $3,000 scopes, $1,500 rests, $1,500 - $2,000 actions, $300 triggers, $1,000 - $2,000 stocks, etc. How can a $500 chronograph be the thing that puts us over the edge.

 

[Rope2horns]

@okshooter .....Hey Keith can I borrow your labradar at the next match?

 

[okshooter]

@okshooter .....Hey Keith can I borrow your labradar at the next match?

Any time. Unless Pam or Tracy want it.

 

[savagedasher]

If that is the case . As a shooter only you can make the decision to attend.
If you and others don't attend I would hope they would ask their self why the attendence has fell off . Larry

 

[6MMsteve]

get rid of all electronic devices on the shooting line period, nothing on the line but humans and rifles, no cell phones notta nothin imho

 

[holstil]

Not trying to be condescending but I don't understand (yet) why anyone would want to use one at known distance shooting with sighters. Won't your target record what you need to know? It seems to me your in tune or your not.
Why the difference from lrbr?

 

[Taildrag15X]

Where is this rule. I just looked at the Highpower rulebook as it is published on the NRA's website, updated January 2016, and don't find any mention of chronographs or radars. This does sound like something the NRA would do though.

As has been stated, I don't see any negatives to having a device like the Labradar or Magnetospeed on the firing line. Having used both, and the Labradar in a match, I don't see how they could block another shooter's view of anything. I don't see how they would slow down a match, if you don't get it set up during prep, you take your time away from shooting to mess with it. Since I have seen high velocity shots go low and low velocity shots go high, I don't see how knowing the velocity of the last shot fired helps with the next shot. All these devices do is help a shooter keep better trending data of their equipment to, possibly, allow them to evaluate their equipment and reloading techniques for future matches. Should we outlaw spotting scopes since they clutter the line, and you already have a scope on your rifle in F-class?

Saying that we aren't allowing them because it runs the cost of the sport up is crazy when we have $2,000 to $3,000 scopes, $1,500 rests, $1,500 - $2,000 actions, $300 triggers, $1,000 - $2,000 stocks, etc. How can a $500 chronograph be the thing that puts us over the edge.

If you would check the "Rule Changes" you'll find it under 3.22 Electronic Devices (b) Radars, chronographs and other devices designed to measure bullet velocity are prohibited on the line.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

Not trying to be condescending but I don't understand (yet) why anyone would want to use one at known distance shooting with sighters. Won't your target record what you need to know? It seems to me your in tune or your not.
Why the difference from lrbr?

I think the answer to that question lays in whether the shooter has the facilities to do independent testing outside of matches.

I've found that very, very few f-open shooters plot their shots during matches. Since all of the targets are multi-use, we don't get a group to measure. All considered, losing the ability to use local matches as fully instrumented tuning sessions is a loss.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

I think the answer to that question lays in whether the shooter has the facilities to do independent testing outside of matches.

I've found that very, very few f-open shooters plot their shots during matches. Since all of the targets are multi-use, we don't get a group to measure. All considered, losing the ability to use local matches as fully instrumented tuning sessions is a loss.

Since I shoot a lot of matches with buddies, we're trying to figure out how to create a "fully instrumented tuning session." The idea is that the shooter focuses on shooting while the buddy assists by recording each shot (score and clock position), radar measured velocity, and video of wind flags. The shooter records his hold (or scope adjustment).

After action, there can be a review of each shot to figure out a physics-based assessment of dropped shots. Some are easy: too much or too little hold for the wind, high or low shot corresponds to a fast or slow velocity. Some are harder to figure. But a fast shot hitting low points to a barrel harmonic issue and a poorly tuned load.

The new rule is a roadblock to chronographing during NRA matches. Anyone figure out how to trigger those things from behind the line?