Varmint caliber ideas?

Discussion in 'Varminter & Hunting Forum' started by JORTZ, Aug 4, 2017.

  1. GrocMax

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    Have any of you guys suggesting using target bullets on prairie dogs even hit one with a target bullet? Not the best choice unless you enjoy watching crawl offs with intestines caught on cactus.
     
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  2. people

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    This garbage again.
     
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    Or shooting a Speer 87-gr TNT.
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    Darn! You're on to my trick ...
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    The 6mm, 87grn v-max is a bad mama jama. My 243 likes em, but the p-dogs didn't so much.
     
  6. tjtjwdad

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    I'm curious, what size varmints are you shooting? I like all that are mentioned here but I wouldn't use a 6mm [anything] on ground squirrels [and I own one] but they're first-rate on other adventures especially when the distance grows.

    I have 17HMR, 22LR, 20 VT, 221 FB, 204 Ruger, 6mm Remington and I'm looking at a 260 Remington to add.
     
  7. JORTZ

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    Im using mostly on pd hunting trips
     
  8. GrocMax

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    What's garbage about it?

    Truth. A gut shot no solid bone with a target bullet pokes a hole in a prairie dog. With a varmint bullet they blow up.

    Been there, done that.
     
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    Or go the Norma Dasher , brass is ready to go.
     
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    Yup I am sure you have. I am sure they did. Your results do not give results for the millions of these bullets that have been shoot in to PD and worked just like a hunting or varmint bullet. I have had PD walk back into their holes after shot with v-max bullets from my 6mmbr shot at only a couple hundred yds dragging their guts. I guess that make these bullets not good? Stuff happens. What appears to be a good hit and could be a good shot and the PD does not die. Stuff happens.

    Some of them are just way stronger than others. I hit one with my 22-250 shooting a 52gr match bullet. It was maybe 80yds from me. I hit it straight in the guts. This PD took off flipping through the air landing something line 20feet from where he launched from. This little dog started crawling back to a hole. A shot to the head stopped him.

    Secondly your truth is not the truth. I got a triple with 55gr FMJBT all of them just fell over dead. So much for your "truth".

    The fact remains is they are good bullets and work. It has been proven over and over. Your response is like the guy who reads the FBI report about handgun performance and still claim you need a "handgun that starts with a 4".


    But all of this will fall on deaf ears and you will continue on spewing this crap over and over.
     
  11. tjtjwdad

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    I've never taken a crack at those but I have at Rock Chucks and I found my 204 Ruger [39 SBK] & 20VT [32 Nosler Ballistic-Tip] sure does a number on those. I haven't tried either of the 221 FB or the others.

    I would think the 6mm & larger cartridges would do well from a distance but up close I'm wondering if it would be possible that the bullets might-not perform that well due to the [short] range vs the velocity.
     
  12. songdawg

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    Try the .240 Tomahawk. I have one with a 24" 1/10" Twist barrel the shoot BIB 70gr. HPBT's into .199" five shot group at a 100 yards.
     

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    240 tomahawk now thats got my interest.
    What kind of velocity u get
     
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    You've got a strong commitment to certain target bullets being used in hunting applications. One cannot deny you, you've proven through field tests that certain so-called target bullets actually perform just as well if not better than bullets designated as hunting bullets. I think the key to this discussion is having both sides of this argument admit that there is no 100% foolproof bullet that addresses all hunting applications.

    One of the key elements which you've stated in your arguments is that shot placement is paramount. Take any bullet and miss the killing zone and it really doesn't matter what your shooting. At the same time, put any bullet design and hit the vitals and nine times out of ten, you're going to have positive results.

    If you're an excellent shot and certain bullets perform better than others by hitting the kill zone, you're going to have consistent success. At the same time, if you're an average shot and shot placement is not always optimal, you're going to have compromised results. I think the difference with target bullets and hunting bullets is that when using the hunting bullet, somewhat marginal shots will result in a kill nevertheless whereas target bullets tend to give results that are more black and white. A shot that's not on target will result in nonlethal hits.

    There are no one fits all solutions, in short there are going to be more gray areas than simple black and white solutions. Choose your bullet wisely based upon your hunting situations and individual skills. If your not certain as to what bullet is best for your personal application rely on the manufacturers recommendations.
     
  15. spaniel

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    Long range was defined as 600yds. At that range, I want a 6mm minimum. I love my 20 and 22s but at that range the wind plays with them too much regardless of speed, and it's really hard to spot the misses and walk them in. A 6mm is the smallest I can reliably spot hits and drop them at that range. I like my 243AI for that purpose, 105 AMAX at 3270fps. Even then, hits are not dramatic.

    I could even see a 7mm or 30cal. My 300WM pushing 200gr bullets at 2950fps is a lot easier to spot misses and a LOT more dramatic on hits at that range.

    I've got a PD hunt planned in a month. I'll be taking my 338 Edge to really push the range out, having shot it out past a mile with great accuracy recently.
     
  16. centershot

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    They should come out with a bullet that says "garbage". Varmageddon is close.
     
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  17. S.B.

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    IMHO, .223 is pretty close to perfect. Not a lot of plew damage and seldom complete pass thru penetration.
    Steve
     
  18. Tim s

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    Uhhhh, that .199" is about a .350"
     
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    I have a 6BR 14 twist Kreiger barrel. 3900 rounds down the tube and it still shoots groups in the .300 - .350 range. Most of the calibers guys are recommending are severe barrel burners. You gotta love the 6BR.
     
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  20. onelastshot

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    They do have bullets named garbage, they're called Hornady!
     

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