The Register Motor Vehicles -- Why Not Guns??

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  1. Prairiedogger

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    "To legally operate a motor vehicle in any state, you must be at least 16 years old. You must pass a written and on-road driving test. Your vehicle must be legally registered and licensed to a legal owner, as proven by a certificate of title. You must purchase a minimum of liability insurance, and be in possession of that proof as well as the certificate of registration. What could possibly be wrong with applying at least some of these same measures to the ownership and operation of firearms.??"

    If you haven't noticed. They give drivers license's to idiots. There are lots of them out there.
    Anyone who has worked on or around the highway's can testify to this. ^^^^^^^^^ Does not solve anything.
     
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  2. ED3

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    No one needs to do anything for me to exercise any of my Constitutional Rights.
    the only thing that has to happen is for others to leave me alone, and allow me my liberty. That requires nothing from anyone else.
    Again I'll ask, where has driving ever been defined in law as a right.

    And your argument about someone being required to teach me to speak is the height of silliness.
    No one is required by law to teach me to speak.
    By your standards a person who is mute has no rights, And I I also should have a printing press and TV, and radio station handed to me as a right.
    Also if someone is required to tech me to speak, then someone is obligated to teach me to drive, run a printing press, operate a TV station, etc, etc etc.
    And finally, who is required by law to tech me to speak, or do anything? and don't say school teacher: No one is required to be a teacher.
     
  3. wedgy

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    I have wondered why nobody has sued Chevy when a Corvette going 180 mph crashes and kills a bystander. The highest speed limit in the country to my knowledge is 85 in Texas so that car is made to break the law. My Sprinter van have a governor the kicks in about 82 mph and I couldn't even go the speed limit. I remember that somebody sued a gun maker(an AR I think) a while back saying that that gun isn't for sporting, it was made to kill people, so I guess any car that goes over 85 mph is made to kill people. I guess the auto industry has their own NRA type lobby.
    I have non compliant, unregistered vehicles that clearly state "closed course use only" as they are made for a race track.
     
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  4. Nick Caprinolo

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    The first step to confiscation is registration. History is full of Despots who started with registration and very shortly after, started confiscation. Now I am old, 83 in fact. I inherited large lots of long guns from three family members. At that time there was no forced transfer rules here, between private individuals. Now you want me to register them!

    I don't want anyone to know what I hold in private property within the confines of my home. Automobile registration is to gather taxes in order to help pay for roads. It also allows law enforcement to track you down for whatever reason they choose. Further, registration facts are not held sacrosanct. Pay the yearly fee and the information is available to anyone, such as debt collectors and private investigators and a host of others.

    Wherever you store mass information, you can be sure it will be leaked out. Remember when everyone guarded their Social Security Number. The SSN laws as originally written stated that that information could never be used for any purpose except to keep tract of contributions and disbursements regarding that specific account. How'd that work out for you? It's the national registry every still gets riled up about when someone suggests we establish one.

    By law there is no national registration gun registry. Again the liberals wail that it's what this country needs, while conservatives shout to high heavens whenever the subject is brought up. But in fact, there is already a mechanism to trace any firearm recently purchased in this country. Every firearm retailer must keep a record of purchases and if they go out of business turn that record over to the ATF. Firearms are then traced backwards from the manufacturer.

    My point is that if you give the government an inroad, no matter how small it might be, they then peck away with small bits of legislation that seem innocuous when introduced, but in totality become oppressive. I for one, do not want to willing give the government the tiniest inroad towards confiscation.
     
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  5. Raythemanroe

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    How is registration going to stop a crime? Register your car, has that stopped any crimes or accident? People are begging to be sheople. Useful as the way Stalin meant it.
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  6. jimbo88mm

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    Registering guns would provide people with a short lived sense of false security.

    That said... as we all know it wouldn't stop mass shootings.. and that is what's really driving the gun control debate. It isn't violent crime in the inner cities. Suicides get a little attention but not enough to move the needle. Mass shootings... some hateful crazy person shooting up a school or some self radicalized home grown terrorist wanting to kill... that's what worries regular folks who normally wouldn't feel strongly one way or the other. It doesn't matter that more people are killed each year by hammers. Facts only get you so far. You have to win the hearts and minds.. and that's pretty difficult each time a mass shooting takes place. If an effective solution for preventing the mass shootings isn't found.. forget about registration, universal background checks and AWBs.. the whole 2nd amendment itself will be at risk. Slippery slope my ass.. we're just one major event from diving off the cliff. It's just a question of when, not if.
     
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  7. people

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    My answers are in red.
     
  8. ED3

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    Those are hardly answers.

    You actually believe someone is required by law to provide me with forearms??! Who is that? So if I have a 'right' to firearms, they are obviously free to me, right? Where do I get them?
    Seriously? Who is that?
    And your apparent misinterpretation of the 9th Amendment would give me free food, free housing, pretty much anything I want, at your expense.

    Seriously: If you're not a thinly-veiled troll, take a course in civic, and learn to understand 'rights' vs. 'privileges'

    Either way:
    Good Luck to you.
     
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  9. rr2030

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    We all agree driving is a privilege, not a constitutional right. The constitution is not a bill of wants or privileges its a bill of rights.

    [Ralph stands on his soapbox] Rant mode "ON"
    That being said, I would like to see driving licenses require the level of training only the Secret Service driver for the President receives. If you want to drive you should learn how to drive. Then a driving etiquette endorsement should be required. Another endorsement for freeway driving required and that training would include being on a 3 lane figure 8 high speed track @ 80 mph where you are required to drive between two semi trucks.

    The rules:
    >Cellphones don't work in a vehicle.
    >You hold up traffic or fail to move right to be passed, get pulled over , police take your keys and wallet, return them in 4 hours.
    >Pull into a lane of vehicles going 80mph but you are doing 60, traffic does not slow down, you are responsible for damages.
    >Hybrids drive between the right shoulder of the road and the edge of the right lane.
    >Side view mirrors must be 2X the current size.
    >Large vehicles such as Tractor trailers, busses, heavy equipment must remain in the right most lane on any incline.
    >Old junk pick-up trucks loaded with lawn mowers and other landscape equipment driven by persons of questionable citizenship shall never use the freeway.
    >All vehicles will have a yearly safety inspection and smog certification.
    >Feel free to add to this list

    Rant mode "OFF"
     
  10. Rsadams

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    Laws only effect law abiding citizens.... Criminals will not follow the law or register their guns nor will they turn them in or do a government buyback which is nothing more than confiscated but a nice way to put it.... If remington can be held responsible for Sandy Hook then Chevy and Ford etc should be responsible for drunk drivers etc.. We are not getting to the problem of blaming an inanimate object for committing a crime... How many of your guns have broken out of your gun safes and done something bad.?

    There's a huge socialist/communist movement in America and their first agenda is disarming citizens.. I think some have forgotten how far our politicians will go to get their way... Part of the problem with us Americans is we have short memories and they know it... How many more lies and propaganda do you need other than what's been feed daily to us since 2013..? In 2013 the law against propaganda was removed and that's why you get what you get on the news now.... How about this , two years ago Muller said NO American colluded with Russia. But now back to 24hours - 7 days a week of Russian collusion... Divide and conquer is a tactic..Do not think they won't or can't remove the 2A or any other rights , your 4th amendment rights were removed with the simple signing of the Patriot act...
     
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  11. antelopedundee

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    When I can use my guns in the same way and places as I use my vehicles, then I'll think about the registration thing. As soon as I pull out of my driveway and enter onto a public road or street I become a possible risk to other drivers and non-drivers. If I'm going to the range the unloaded firearm in my trunk presents no such risk. Also the number of places where I can use my firearm is limited even if they are public places.
     
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  12. jds holler

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    Rsadams,-- This Post^^^^ should be the start of it's own thread. It states exactly the point I was trying to make in a very brief and understandable way. My hat is off to you. jd
     
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  13. ED3

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    Well said.

    Few people understand, and/ or are willing to acknowledge how 'socialized' - in the most literal interpretation of the word, is driving a motor vehicle.
    Maximum liberty, and safety can only be achieved by adhering to certain rules, and standards.
    If one does not wish to comply, they are free to avoid public roadways.

    We are not "free" to drive 90mph down the left side of residential streets, in a car with no brakes and 4 bald tires; nor can we ignore the multitude of traffic controls that aid in safe and orderly passage..

    It has become the view of some that any qualifying restrictions on driving abilities, or vehicular standards quickly take on socioeconomic discriminatory overones.

    As to your 'list', when I lived in Germany in the late 60s, alcohol related offenses resulted in a loss of driving privileges for as much as 2 years, and confiscatory loss of one vehicle.
     
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    Sorry, but I find it terribly ironic that you mention the words "real world" and two TV shows in the same sentence.

    Your point is well taken however, that laws only work when they're adhered to, and since you can't go around shooting people without breaking a whole bunch of laws, we probably should try another approach to ending this streak of young, white males committing suicide by cop after carrying out a mass murder.

    There are a lot of elements in play that seem to be encouraging this type of mass murder, and no simple law add on or change is going to fix anything. It just gives the illusion of "doing something" where as actually doing something requires a long term investment in study and conversation followed by well though out action. The current effort of searching social media and arresting those posting threats and specific targets seems to be working, at least for now.
     
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  15. Rsadams

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    It really scares me what been happening in America... We are heading down a one way road that there's no coming back from once traveled... There's very few people that see it coming or the old classic it's not effecting them yet so we will worry about it later but later will be to late... The other problem is the so called experts that are making decisions for us or spreading their expertise to the UN informed public... Here's one , I actually watched a so called expert say on international news the other day that the AR has no place anywhere and you can't even use them for hunting because if you shot a deer with it there would be no meat left... So people who believe this crap think a .223 will vaporize a deer it's so powerful... Even my cousins up north have no idea the difference in a .223 and a 30.06 , I get calls from them asking the difference... Once I send them a picture of the two side by side the start to figure it out.... Yet the media will never show the difference....

    Remain scared , stay inside , work and pay your taxes and have kids to feed the machine... Don't worry we will make hard decisions for you because we are smart....It won't be much longer before you get to wake up , take your daily pill and go to your assigned job then on Saturday you can go line up and see what they have for groceries.. Don't think it can happen..? It's already just a short plane ride to countries were it is... We're husband's are giving toilet paper for Valentine's day gifts because it's impossible to find much less anything else and it all started with disarming citizens... It's a tryed and true formula and not a conspiracy theory if it's actually happening... Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain though.... The Nazis also had a policy of if you see something , say something... It's funny how history repeats itself but nobody ever noticed....
     
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  16. brians356

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    That's patently wrong. In Idaho and many if not most agricultural states you can get a restricted license while you're only 14. I got my first license when I was 15.

    Quiz for whoever wrote that: Which amendment to the constitution reads in part "The right of the people to keep and drive motor vehicles shall not be infringed" or words to that effect?
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  17. rr2030

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    The same amendment that states : it's OK to eat chicken with your fingers

    Did I get it correct?
     
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    Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!
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  19. people

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    Answers in red
     
  20. ED3

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    Are you on drugs?

    Should you be?
     

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