I know they are both fairly new to the market. I have read some good reviews online. I would like to hear from people on these forums though. How have your experiences been? I have a couple of basic questions that lead to a bigger question. 1) Consistancy of the brass? 2) Durability of the brass? Which leads to 3) Do we start working together to convince either of these companies to produce brass that is commonly used by shooters here, but tough to find or highly priced? E.g. 300WSM, SAUM, 284W. I have been considering another F class build, but in a short magnum of some kind. Quality brass availability is limited.