Rifle recommendations for CMP HP

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  1. PilotPhill

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    Hello All,

    I have been shooting steel challenge and USPSA for a few years now and am wanting to get in to CMP HP as well. I have been wanting to get a nice AR-15 for a while now but have never pulled the trigger.

    What are your recommendations for a CMP HP rifle? I have been looking at picking up a DD MK12

    Thanks, Phillip
     
  2. 6fatrat

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    What state do you live in?
     
  3. johara1

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    CLE would be a good place to look..... jim
     
  4. HPMike800

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    White Oak Armament has very good set ups. Get a 20" Service Rifle with a good scope.
     
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  5. Pres100

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    +1. White Oak is excellent and a good place to start. A good scope will be needed for sure. Don’t know many iron sight shooters that could keep pace with the best scoped shooters... even the best iron shooters have switched.

    A reputable appropriately spec’d trigger is necessary.
     
  6. PilotPhill

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    I’m up in Idaho. Okay, I’ll give those White Oak Armaments a look!
     
  7. 55fairlane

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    CLE or WOA are top notch , but for a man an a budget may I highly suggest Rock River Arms. ...mine will hold its own against any of the other bigger buck rifles!
     
  8. mongo chicago

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    I shot NRA High power and CMP competitions. It is iron sights not scopes.
     
  9. hpshooter

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    " It is iron sights not scopes".

    Rules have changed for both NRA service rifle and CMP matches. Optics as specified in the new rules are here to stay.....like it or not!
     
  10. PilotPhill

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    Looks like White Oaks sells a bunch of components to build a complete rifle but does not sell complete rifles. I have her built one before. That is one reason I am drawn to Daniel Defense. I know they make a great product and I do not have to worry about messing it up (especially as someone quite new to AR-15s).

    Are AR-15s like 1911s in that one could buy all the parts and put one together but not be able to realize incredible accuracy unless they were a master gunsmith due to the precision tolerances that need to be meticulously hand worked?

    How does White Oaks quality compare to DD?
     
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    "How does White Oaks quality compare to DD?"

    John Hollinger who owns White Oak Precision is a very accomplished high power competitor. His uppers win matches, he and his teen age son placed very high in this years HP service rifle nationals. They build both service rifle and match rifle uppers.

    White Oak and Compass Lake know what it takes to win in HP, go with smiths that know the ropes in the discipline you wish to compete in.

    DD is an excellent company but I do no believe HP competition is their strong point.
     
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    Compass Lake Engineering sells complete rifles. They are purpose built for our sport. Just as important, Theresa and Frank are good people.

    This is not to say that White Oak or Accurate and Reliable, or even Rock River are not equally capable. I’ve shot them all and some others, with the exception of Accurate and Reliable.
     
  13. Pres100

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    DD makes excellent products as does WOA. As HPShooter mentioned, WOA specializes in Highpower discipline and both companies assemble and manufacture excellent products as well. You won’t be disappointed with either.
    If your going to compete, you want one optimized and set up properly that adheres to competition rules... WOA will sell uppers that are optimized for the rules and assembled with premium parts.

    The heart of an accurate AR is in the barrel with a good chamber. A well tuned gas system keeps them reliable, and a well set up configuration helps you manage the set up in multiple positions. You also want to make sure that the barrel is optimized for heavier bullets - chamber and twist rate and length for maximum velocities.
     
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  14. D.Stone

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    You will not be competitive with a Daniel Defense rifle in CMP Service Rifle. The things that make it a great "Duty Carbine" also make it a terrible match rifle.

    Get something that is purpose built from Compass Lake or White Oak.
     
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  15. PilotPhill

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    Alrighty, looks like I’ll be going WOA or Compass Lake. Thank you for the advice!

    Next question: barrels and chambering. Looks like thee are a few top choices
    Krieger, Shilen, Bartlein, etc.
    CLE and Wylde
    7 And 7.7 twist

    I will be using commercial ammo to start but will pick up some components and get reloading soon.
     
  16. Pres100

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    Any of the reputable barrel makers are fine. We can argue cut vs button rifled all day long but either will work starting out and both can and have won championships.
    20” length
    7, 7.7, (or 8 twist will work fine up to 80gr projectiles)
    Chamber depends on what your shooting. If your shooting factory ammo, I’d stick to the Wilde chamber.
    Pre or post ban won’t really matter. A flash hider really won’t create any advantage and brakes are not permitted.
     
  17. Pres100

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    One other barrel consideration is one that has a well machined barrel extension with M4 style feed ramps. I believe WOA machines a slightly oversized barrel extension for better receiver fit, but they will likely deal with the fit when building the upper.
    They also use a quality barrel nut and free float set up. I would have them build it with the Geissele mk7 handguard as well - it provides excellent stability and grip.
     
  18. natdscott

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    You need to read a copy of the rules before opening your wallet.
     
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  19. js2013

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    No. ARs are much much much easier put together and shoot at a competitive HP level than a bullseye grade 1911.
     
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  20. PilotPhill

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    Yes, I completely agree. I have read the rules now multiple times. There are still plenty of things I want to learn though which is why I am on this forum.

    Are you implying that I have made a comment showing a misunderstanding of the rules? If so, please point that out to me so I can re-read that section
     

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