Just to touch on one of the previous posts,...... it was stated that Tubb's brass was 6 points harder than the Lapua's,...... Who's "B" scale hardness checker gave that info? I've checked lot after lot of the 6.5x47 Lapua, compared it to early Tubb and Norma Tubb brass, and most recently Hornady's 6.5 Creedmore, and none of it,... period, was ever harder than the Lapua,... much less 6 points harder.,The Hornady case borders on being a poor investment for anyone using the case for BR work considering the strength of the Lapua case.) The numbers given for the factory data of the 6.5x47 brass are exactly that, factory liability data, period. The Lapua cases are hard and durable to a fault. The Norma cases are very uniform, perhaps somewhat at the cost of case head hardness. The situation where Hornady can be a winner in all this is simple, an American made product at a,hopefully) consistent level of quality,which we still all want to mean something,...) at a better value than the Lapua. So far,that remains to be seen.