New 22cal 88GR Hornady ELD-M

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  1. Evlshnngns

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    I have a 22-243 Improved build that is currently going together with a Krieger 28in 1-8tw barrel that I may have to give these a try in.

    It'll be interesting to see if their higher BC will be enough to out perform the faster shooting 75gr ELD-M.
     
  3. Evlshnngns

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    I want to do a 22ppc or 223ai. I planned on an 8 twist with 75-80, these might change my mind.
     
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    These will most likely need a 1-7” or faster.
     
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    The issue I see with these is that their advertised BC exactly matches the advertised BC of Berger's 90 VLD out of the box. However, the Hornady bullet is already "pointed" (plastic tip), whereas the 90 VLD will enjoy another 5-6% or so increase in BC by pointing. The bottom line is that you can [in theory] push the Hornady bullet a tick faster when loaded to equal pressure due to the lighter weight (maybe 25-30 fps), but it will be still behind in terms of BC. Therefore, I doubt it will enjoy any ballistic performance advantage over the 90 VLD. In order to get buyers to switch to these from other currently available "heavy" .224 bullet offerings, they will need some other advantage, such as ease of tuning. Otherwise, why switch?
     
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    8 twist ???
     
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    They only cost 19 pennies, I don't think they were meant to dethrone a Berger at the FTR nationals. They brought these out with the announcement they are making Valkyrie ammo, I would suspect that is the target audience.

    I read elsewhere it is for 7 twist, Hornady hasn't put it in writing that I can see.
     
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    Guessing you are correct. No data yet
     
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    How about ballistic uniformity due to the tip?
     
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    I've always liked the idea of plastic tips, although I don't believe they are generally any more uniform than tips that can be generated by [correctly] pointing bullets with a die. FWIW - I'm not trying to hack on Hornady's new offering, I might well give them a try myself just for comparison. The relative cost WOULD be a significant advantage, even if the performance is about the same. It will be interesting to see where they tune in velocity-wise to the 90s. I have spent a fair bit of time testing Sierra's new 95 gr .224 bullet, and the situation with those is that the BC is not different (higher) enough from the 90s that you can easily achieve equal performance due to the velocity the lesser velocity of the heavier 95 gr bullet and where they tune in in a .223 Rem with a 30" barrel. Having said that, either the Hornady or Sierra bullets would likely prove a potent combination with the Valkyrie or other hot rodded .224 cal cartridge.
     
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    It certainly seems Berger has held the crown for many years of competition accuracy. They continue to amaze. Hornady isn't in the same class when competing with the likes of Berger or other big name bullet companies. What Hornady does do is make shooting much more affordable for the average Joe shooter that does not compete but rather just plain love to shoot whether it's hunting or shooting steel etc. Their bullets get it done. I shoot Berger and yes I shoot better with them. The trade off for me most of the time isn't worth the extra cost tho. Sorry off topic but with all the new high bc bullets being introduced, it kinda makes shooting today a little more fun and interesting. Less guess work at extended ranges and better performance at those distances.
     
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    They look great and got to try some. Giving that Hornady suggests 1-7 for the 75 & 80 ELDs I'm willing to bet they will be at least that or 6.5.

    Am curious to the length??
     
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    I'm using an 8 twist for the 80 ELDM and it's just fine. I'm pushing them around 3550 but I suppose from a 223 pushing them considerably slower, you would need a bit faster barrel.
     
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    2 grains less than the 90s isn't going to make any difference as far as how fast they can be driven. Bearing surface is going to be the determinate, just like it is in the case of 80s vs. 77s.

    They may be faster than 90s, they may be slower. We'll have to wait and see how fast they can be loaded.
     
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    This will be a great bullet to try in my 22 Creedmoor. It should work well on varmints and coyotes.
     
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    Can`t wait to get some user feedback on these.....
     
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    Bearing surface will be longer than the 90gr VLD if these bullets are designed like the rest of the ELD-M’s.
     
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    They are in stock at midsouth. They will be on my next order.

    If anyone puts some downrange let us know.
     
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    88's will need a long throat, may kill the accuracy of the 80g. Pick your poison wisely.
     
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