I believe I have come to a new conclusion pertaining to our second amendment rights. With sublime certainty we are going to loose them all together or have them so restricted it won't be worth the bother to have anything to do with firearms. When ? sooner or later but it's going to happen. You may ask: why the change of heart rr2030? Well this is why: Back on page two of this thread post #38, I asked everyone here to, in their opinion identify the root causes of these shootings and opinions on what could possibly be done, short and long term to fix the issue. Now I know it's only opinions and hopefully reasonable discussion on the subject. Instead, for the most part few gave opinions, instead many pointed out why we wont loose our rights. This turned into arguments that did not address the issues. Now it has turned into guys attacking each other, attacking Trump, guys are blocking each other. We have danced around pontificating the issue so important to us and turned the discussion into a mess. I had a reasonably high expectation from anyone that participated in this thread, However, if we fellow forum members, firearm owners all, a bunch of smart guys that jump to help each other with problems, fellow competitive shooters, hunters, and people that share the frustration of the gun laws, cant speak reasonably about this important subject, Then how the hell do you expect a bunch of career politicians that cant get along on a good day, produce a single piece of legislation that will address in law, what we cant even discuss here, as friends? And now even politicians that are 2A friendly are having second thoughts. Guess they are like anyone else, just want a steady paycheck.