Handguns 95% Effective ln Bear Attacks

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  1. sw282

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    https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/pi...r-attack-95-effective-63-cases/#axzz5iTMGHxNQ

    l found this article enlightening and have PD shooting in Canton Tx who survived a Black Bear attack in Alaska while fishing... He stopped him at around 9ft with his Smith&Wesson 44Magnum revolver. He shot him with Winchester 250gr Platinum Tips... Bear weighed 283pounds... l commented to my friend that wasn't a particularly large bear.. His reply was he could have sworn that bear was the size of M1A1 ABRAMS TANK
     
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    The 5 for 5 with a 9mm surprised me.
     
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    Good article. Thanks!
     
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    My great grandad survived a grizzly attack with a 30-06 while surveying Alaska.
     
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    Very interesting reading on the various incidents and calibers used.
     
  6. msinc

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    Thanks for posting, definitely a good and worthwhile read!!! I couldn't find the article and thought it was in the "More Alaska Bear Tales" book, but I couldn't find it. This article told about two guys fishing in Alaska. They caught several salmon and had them up on the bank when a brown bear got their fish and started eating them. One guy shot the bear and IIRC he hit it 5 out of 6 times in the face. The bear killed him. The other one ran to help and shot the bear several more times in the face, but it killed him too. Later troopers found the wounded bear, still alive and killed it. They verified that the bear was shot, I want to say like 8 or 9 times total right in the face. Some kind of half assed autopsy was performed on the bears skull. They said the jaw was broken and bullets made it into the sinus cavities but that was about it. The message to the story was "don't shoot a brown bear in the face" because there is nothing there to really do enough damage to stop it. I cant remember what the guns used were, but I want to say 454 Casull or 44 magnum revolvers.
    When I was in Alaska I talked to several locals about the preferred bear "medicine"...they seemed to all believe the best gun was a 12 gauge loaded with slugs. Living in southern Maryland and that being the only thing legal to deer hunt with, I thought of how many times I tracked 125 pound whitetails for a very long ways after being hit good with a 12 gauge slug. I told the Alaskans I really thought they were betting on the wrong gun for a griz or brown bear!!!
     
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  8. Laurie

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    I read an article on this in a US gun magazine some years ago, most likely Wolfe's Rifle Magazine.

    It made the point that the most likely scenario for man v aggressive bear confrontation for hunters and/or walkers was in close cover where the bear is surprised and feels attack is better than retreat or is a sow with cubs. Given human reaction times, time required to unholster / raise a handgun, the speed a bear moves (frighteningly fast once they decide to attack!), and the short distances involved, the writer's point was that handgun calibre was usually irrelevant as the chance of getting a shot off at all was low to nil. His research said that most successful defences occurred after the bear reached the human and had starting mauling him where the victim had unholstered the gun or was able to do so and push the muzzle against the animal's chest or up against the chin. (No mean feat when in a tight bear hug I'd think!) That of course nearly always left the hunter to walk out of the boonies with serious injuries and blood loss.

    Fishing would be a mite different as riversides are often much more open of course.

    This is pretty academic to us in the British Isles unless we take north American or Siberian hunting vacations - it's believed bears were hunted to extinction 1,500 (yep, one thousand five hundred, not one-fifty) years ago. There is though a UK television extreme angling show called River Monsters featuring one Jeremy Wade and normally involving hunting down rare, huge, exotic, ugly and sometimes very dangerous river creatures all over the world.

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=...kAhVIWRUIHZK0BfcQsAR6BAgDEAE&biw=1280&bih=622

    One episode had him in Alaska autumn fishing for salmon and the 'river monsters' were obviously the brown bears and their adolescent cubs that kept chasing his hooked fish. His local guide had a stainless large-calibre hand cannon. He didn't shoot any bear, only tried to frighten them off with the report from firing in the air. That worked only twice IIRC, the bears soon realising the human wasn't serious, so the line with the fish on was cut, angler, guide and camera crew hastily retreated to a bear free stretch of the river. They stayed with the bears longer than I would have! :) :eek:
     
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    Well, why should you folks across the pond miss all the fun? You could start a movement to reintroduce bears to England! Capitol idea! After a few attacks and maulings , you’d get your guns back!
     
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    I doubt it....I don't know what they call their version of a communist, liberal, tree huggin' democrat in G.B., but they have them and the one thing all libtards have in common is they don't give anything back once they have taken it away!!!!
    It would probably be some kind of global climate change thing to move bears from one place to another. They can always find some reason to say no, however ridiculous. Cant you just see the future when everyone is flying around in a solar powered drone...little communist democrats all running around crying about stirring up the air too much will make the planet hot!!!
    They are not even good entertainment.
     
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    I wonder how many think climate change is a hoax or real
     
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    Yeah, it's been beat up several times on here. You will hear comments from proponents and opponents of any gun you ask about. As with most gear, you have to find what works for you and what you will use (carry).

    Beendare's comments are spot on. A .44 is worthless if you can't hit your target. A 10mm or even smaller can be effective with proper training and shot placement.
     
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    I said this in the other thread, but these attacks are very rare, so most of us are just blowing hot air when we say this is more effective than that. "Experts" and researchers seem to agree on the same thing though: it all depends on the bear and its temperament. If that bear wants to kill you, then spraying it down and then unloading your 44 into it's head isn't garaunteed to stop it.

    Every study uses different criteria and the statistics are all very narrow and specific to the scenarios considered.

    I view all this in the same light as a child carrying a security blanky. It won't save them, but sure as hell makes them feel better to have it.
     
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    Interesting read, thx for the post!
     
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    This is the business end of my "security blanky"...I am not going to say it necessarily makes me "feel better" to have it, but I don't feel as good in bear country when I don't!!!
    All those stupid sayings guys engrave on the muzzle of handguns...like "smile, wait for flash", etc., I am going to have "security blanky" put on this one!!!

    Edit: if I really thought for a second that "it wont save me" I wouldn't bother to carry it. I carry it, because sitting at home in the safe sure aint gonna get it either....

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    Don't joke. I don't know about bears, but there are moves reintroducing the European beaver, the eagle owl (huge bird that can carry off people's pet cats and smaller dogs), wolves, the European Lynx, so bears are probably on the agenda too. (It's happening in the French Pyrenees and sheep farmers are losing a lot of stock.) We got wild boar back too unintentionally (farmed ones escaped) and they're colonising a lot of woodland areas around the country. Then there are various imported foreign deer species such as Chinese Water Deer and Muntjac (another small Asian species) that wealthy Victorian landowners put in the parks of their stately homes and which have also escaped and spread.
     
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    Sunday night a woman was killed by a black bear near Rainy river in northern Minnesota. Heard her dogs barking outside the cabin(on family owned private island) went out to investigate, deputies found her with the bear standing by her and killed the bear.
     
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    20gr of H110 with a 300gr Nosler Sportsman Hollow point with a good crimp in a 44 Magnum will work on the BEARS.
     
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    I'd say it's a safe bet, and not going too far out on a limb here to say that the exact same number of people who want to take your guns away, keep our borders open and approve of sanctuary cities will also qualify, each and every one, as climate hoax specialist!!!!! I mean, if they are dumb enough to believe in one...then they are dumb enough to buy into all of it. Mickey Mouse, Abe Lincoln and Peter Pan have already filled out 6 or 7 proxy vote ballots for "their" candidate.
     
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