Ear Muffs - Recommendations Please

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  1. K22

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    Need to get a new pair for rifle shooting at the range with a low enough profile that won't interfere with cheek weld yet provide the best protection possible to save what little hearing I have remaining.

    I don't need electronic muffs since I don't need to hear range commands - not a competitive shooter.

    What to you guys suggest. Thanks
     
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    Peltor 300 , I love mine.... Amazon has good prices on them.... For non electronic the peltor shotgunner 2 are cheap and work very well.... Watch the noise rating some are very low or they cheat on the ratings.... Double up with plugs to help stop the vibration through the stock plus a little extra protection....
     
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    Typically, the slimline designs are not the most effecient at blocking sound. I don't have a specific suggestion on brand, but such as the peltors mentioned above, don't have the highest rating. I would recommend finding some that are comfortable, and wear plugs underneath, if you truly want to save your remaining hearing.

    If you find plugs uncomfortable, The Howard Leight Maxx and the Moldex Meteor are very soft and have a high rating.
     
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    The best hearing protection device I've ever used are the Otto NoizeBarrier Micro earbuds.
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    I've tried everything and these things work better than any ear muffs that I've ever used. They are expensive but you definitely get what you pay for.
     
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    If you are looking for the most in ear protection with great hearing at the bench, look at the MSA muffs on Amazon...not inexpensive, they also have the cutaway.
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    • MSA Sordin Supreme Pro X - Special Edition - Electronic Earmuff with Black Headband, Black Cups and Gel Seals Fitted
     
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    I had an online chat w an MD some years back. She said a minimum of 25NRR rating.
    I double up w soft plugs to maximise.
     
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    I got some walkers electronic muffs yesterday seem pretty good gonna try them out tomorrow. I've used the Howard Leights for years and they finally broke
     
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    + 1 for Peltor with bottom half cut in.
     
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    Peltor shotgunner. They have the cutaway
     
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    No single hearing protection available is going to be sufficient when the guy on the bench next to you has a short barreled AK with a muzzle brake and popping off one or two rounds a second mere inches from your ear (I left the firing line until he was asked to take his AK pistol and go elsewhere).

    So I "double stuff", using soft plugs inserted fully, plus NR earmuffs. I've read that protecting the bone behind your ear is just as important to avoiding hearing loss as the ear itself when it comes to loud, concussive blasts. So I always bring both. YMMV.
     
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    I discussed this at considerable length with Top Scientists (Including MIT Professor). Double protection does work. And that's why it's recommend by Government and Military in USA and NATO countries. There are multiple factors involved, including bone conduction. Good fitting plugs (I like the flared Howard Leight NRR33) under good quality muffs with Gel pads are your best bet.

    If you are skeptical of double protection, do your own backyard test. Have a car/truck/lawnmower engine running loudly, constant RPM. With double protection (plugs under muffs) walk away till engine sound is not audible. Then remove the muffs. You will hear the engine again. Then keep walking away until sound disappears again (with plugs only). You will be surprised at the difference.
     
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    I use the Howard Leight impact sport muffs along with regular ear plugs. This combo works for anything I've ever encountered at the range.

    I'm still trying to figure our what would work best for when I'm actually hunting.
     
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    Thanks to all contributors - I have been wearing double for years - plugs in the ears and muffs on top of that.

    I need to get a new pair of muffs for rifle range use since my the seals on my existing muff are falling apart - they're the Peltor shot gun muffs - nice for rifle since they are low profile but their db protection rating isn't great.

    I do have a pair of David Clark professional muffs which are outstanding for the pistol range but have a wide profile that makes them problematic for rifle shooting.

    A lot of guys at the range now are shooting with muzzle brakes which creates a consider blast not to mention the the AR boys shooting multiple rounds in rapid succession. Will check out the various recommendations - thanks.
     
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    Plugs are ok, but do not cover the area behind the ear, which also leads to hearing loss. Plugs AND muffs are the best.

    Even if using a muffler, the ultrasonic noise causes hearing loss as well, so, even with mufflers, use hearing protection.
     
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    Here is an interesting scientific study of Muffs and Plugs. The benefits of Muffs and Plugs may be far more than typically estimated, within certain frequency ranges. As a general rule, safety agencies say that, by using quality plugs and muffs together, you can get +5 dB more protection than the highest-rated device. So, with 32 dB NRR plugs and top-quality muffs you might get 37 dB NRR effective. But this study says the benefits may be signficantly greater for some frequencies:

    https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507742.pdf

    From Page 903:

    As demonstrated previously, sound attenuation increased significantly when wearing the muff and plug in combination (4,10,12). Compared with the Muff alone (and without regard to the size of plug used), the benefit due to the combination was an additional 20dB at 0.25kHz and 0.5kHz, and 10—13dB from 3.15—8kHz. Compared with the Plug alone, the benefit was an additional 10—17dB from0.25—1kHz and 3—8dB beyond. Below 2kHz, these observed values exceed the often quoted 5dB rule-of-thumb prediction, which suggests that the combination will yield 5dB more attenuation than the higher attenuation of the pair of devices worn singly.

    This study was conducted for the Canadian Military.
     
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    Interesting article! Yet I could not find any graphs of what frequencies and sound pressure levels a typical AR with muzzle brake would create. Also of interest is the pressure wave from the sonic shock wave, and how the ear translates that. I.E. is that perceived as sound similar to an aircrafts supersonic shock wave.

    I did find this during a brief search.
    http://www.montana.edu/rmaher/publications/routh_maher_asa_0516.pdf
     

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