Coyote calling rifle

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  1. fredo

    fredo Silver $$ Contributor

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    .243Win. And you've got a backup deer rifle, if ever you need.

    Long story! Some coyote hunters can get a bit crazy about their rifles...
     
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  2. Mark McMahon

    Mark McMahon Silver $$ Contributor

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    It's hard to beat a 243
     
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  3. AckleymanII

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    We hunted competitively in Predator calling contests for many years.

    Out West, the average shot when calling on the ground was 75-125 yards, depending on what state or the part of Mexico we were hunting in.

    The bullet choice can make a huge difference as we took shots quartering, coming and going. You simply have to have a bullet that is constructed well enough to penetrate.

    We killed hundreds of coyotes with a 223 loaded with 26.5g of Win 748 and a 55g Winchester soft point with a muzzle velocity of about 3100 in my 788 and Rem 700's(excellent hide saving load). When hunting In Mexico, we would kill between 13-52 animals in a three day weekend, depending on weather fronts. We shot various 22/250's, 243's, and 6 Remingtons since military calibers are illegal to bring into Mexico.

    With all 22 calibers, if you hit them behind the diaphram, they will get back up and run off on you. 243's and 6 Remingtons Anchor coyotes HARD with a 60g Sierra Hp(3800-4000fps), Sierra 75g HP, and 80g blitz bt loaded to the max accuracy node at 3400 and 3500 fps, they simply will NOT get back up, even when shot solid in the stomach.

    I am a firm believer that bullet choices make a coyote calling gun, accuracy first, then an ability to penetrate bones and get to the vitals.

    When hunting in Mexico, we were allowed 50 rounds per gun only, and they would LOCK YOU UP for carrying extra ammo. I would try different bullets with the same load in what ever rifle was on my gun permit.

    In the 22/250 while hunting in Mexico were you could shoot 20 or animals straight on one trip with the same bullet, this is what I liked:
    55g Nosler ballistic tip
    55g Sierra spt
    55g Sierra spt bt
    55g Sierra BTHP
    55g Hornady sp with the cannalure

    Shots ran from point blank to 350 yards as a general rule.

    243 Caliber bullets I prefered:
    60g Sierra hP
    75g Sierra HP
    80g Sierra Single shot pistol bullet
    80g Sierra BT Blitz- my all time favorite in 243 and 6 Rem with hot loads of IMR 4064

    There is a wide variety of opinions in what folks like, I like to kill coyotes outright. Many shots are taken on moving coyotes, so you hit them further back than you would often like. The bullet has to create a LARGE temporary wound cavity, disrupt arteries, turn undigested food and bone particles into secondary projectiles.

    Nosler was the only company with a plastic tip bullet out at that time, and in a 22/250, I liked the penetration of the 55g Nosler BT. Shots between 275-350 is where most of us really make a screw up on trajectory calculation, thus you hit them low...not a good thing.

    Use enough gun, and try to be objective about your results. When your hits result is flopping/flipping coyotes or coyotes getting back up, time to get a different caliber.

    The OP asked about three calibers, 223,22/250, and 243. My choice would be a 243 with 60g Sierra hp(Varget or Win 760*3700-3800) or 80g Sierra Blitz bt(IMR 4064-3400 fps).

    Concerning the 243, the 80g Sierra blitz with a hot load of IMR 4064 is amazing in how accurate it is, and gives the loudest WHOP sound I have ever heard coyotes being shot with....lots of shock put on the animal. Even if you do not leade a running coyote enough, hit him in the rear hip joint, his whole azz end will be shot off, and he will be laying right where he lands when he stops rolling to a stop.
     
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  4. Downhill

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    I use a Tikka T3 Varmint in 223 with a fixed 6 power scope. Run the Hornady 55 Vmax. Made kills past 350yds. Only problem is the weight. Pain in the butt if your walking and making a lot of sets. We hunt several contests a year and the team mates always grin when I uncase it.
     
  5. WyleWD

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    +1 EXACTLY! Excellent post with great observations. WD
     
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  6. vmaxpro

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    Somethin about the little 17's just flattens them. I got another one tonight with 20gr vmax. But to the OP, cant go wrong with any 3 you listed IMHO. Im all for watching the hits so Id lean towards the 223.
     
  7. Hal

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    It makes a BIG difference if your saving fur or just out to kill coyotes.
    Also how close are your shots ? Are you calling them in or shooting them at long range?

    Hal
     
  8. vmaxpro

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    I limit shots with the fireball to 300 yards, but have taken them further. 75-200 and its lights out.
     
  9. killahog

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    Sniper, Is your 250AI a single shot or repeater? I am curious if the 40 deg shoulder causes any problems in feeding
     
  10. Sniper338

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    repeater. feeds from an AI mag
     
  11. killahog

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    Sniper Do you know if the 250AI would feed from a standard BDL follower or would I need an AI mag set up?.
     
  12. AckleymanII

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    250 AI feeds just fine with std BDL follower.
     
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  13. Sniper338

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    I cant honesly say, never done it with a BDL.
     
  14. MarkS

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    I have picked a gun. It is a 223AI in a Win 70 Varmint, I built 20 years ago. I sold it to a friend and it have been a safe queen, so I am getting it back.
    Thanks for the help.
    Mark
     
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  15. birdog

    birdog DASHER DOME

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    Mark, I can't believe you are not going to build a light carry rifle in your signature 6 BRX!!!
    What is this world coming to!!!!
     
  16. MarkS

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    If I were to build one it would be a 6BR or 6BRX. I am going cheap on this one. I have gone to the Dark side ( shotgun clay shooting), I have been shoot sporting clays with my wife. Shotguns cost alot also.

    Mark
     
  17. Qcredneck

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    204 Ruger and my 28 inch 870 express with a mixture of #4 and #1 buckshot for close encounter.. when i'm surprise by a sneaky b@st@rd.
    We hunt (my girlfriend and i) mostly for removing the pressure on our deer spot so.. we don't care much for the pelt..
    When the 204 is done i'll rebarrel 20 practical.
     
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  19. markT

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    I recently stumbled upon Les Johnson ( youtube) Predator Quest. National Coyote Calling Champion.. Les uses a Thompson Center Predator in 22-250 / with Hornady 52 BTHP..
    He has some really good instructional / entertaining videos. My opinion only..
    Granted I've never pulled a trigger on a yote..
     
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  20. timeout

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    You can't go wrong with a 22-250 shooting yotes. Lots of good calibers to get the job done, but the 250 is somewhere near the top. Les often carries a shotgun with also for close ups.
     

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