Best varmint gun out to 400 yards

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  1. 6xcshooter

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    20 practical I get the same velocity as the 204 ruger with 39 gr blitz kings. brass is easy to find no matter what brand except maybe remington but who'd want it anyway. the 3800 fps battles the wind better than most. For pure varmint gun out to 400 yards the 20 practical and 204 ruger are the king.
     
  2. Cuando

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    Agree on the practical, but curious why you don't like Rem .223 brass?

    I think it's some of the better stuff out there.
     
  3. sbranden

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    I just finished loading some Sierra 90 Blitzkings for a buddy's 25-06. Seated nice and long, these babies will get it done wayyyyyy out there. Old Rem 700 that shoots wonderfully with this load, and with amazingly little recoil. It's a great ground-hog load!

    To me, a 222/223 is a 200-300yd gun, max. 204's are fine if you can get one that shoots the 39's/40's well, otherwise if they like the 32's best you will be a little limited on windy nights. 243/6mm's are great. And 22-250's can get it done to 400 as well. But I have never heard anything smack like these 90BK's out of a 25-06. Not a new caliber I know, but I tend to prefer the classics myself and newer bullets then with better BC's can really add new life to an already good thing!
     
  4. 6xcshooter

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    Soft and I couldn"t get as good of accuracy with it as I did with other brass ie winchester , lapua etc
     
  5. BobbyJ

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    Even the 32gr .204s are not terrible in the wind.
    I found this post below on the .204
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    In the spirit of a comparison post, such as the trajectory comparison by Wrzwaldo, I have computed the wind drift at 400 yards caused by a 10 mph cross wind. All the calculations were carried out with the PointBlank ballistics program at 5000 ft, 70 degrees. I used the published ballistic coefficients from the various bullet manufactures (BC).

    Bullet Weight/Type BC Cartridge Name Velocity 400 yd 10 MPH wind Drift
    39gr Sierra Blitzking 0.287 .204 Ruger 3750 11.5"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.275 .204 Ruger 3900 11.5"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.239 .204 Ruger 3750 14.3"
    32gr Hornady Vmax 0.210 .204 Ruger 4225 14.5"
    40gr Fiocchi vmax 0.275 .204 Ruger 3700 12.3"

    40gr Sierra Blitzking 0.196 .223 Rem 3700 18.6"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.200 .223 Rem 3700 18.2"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.221 .223 Rem 3700 16.0"

    40gr Sierra Blitzking 0.196 .220 Swift 4250 15.6"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.200 .220 Swift 4250 15.2"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.221 .220 Swift 4250 13.5"

    40gr Sierra Blitzking 0.196 .22-250 Rem 4150 16.1"
    40gr Nosler BT 0.221 .22-250 Rem 4150 13.9"
    40gr Hornady Vmax 0.200 .22-250 Rem 4150 15.7"
    55gr Sierra Blitzking 0.237 .22-250 Rem 3680 14.8"
    55gr Nosler BT 0.267 .22-250 Rem 3680 12.8"

    So, it looks like once again the .204 lays waste to the competition! For some reason, all the "250" shooters I know think that their 55gr loads have "way less" wind drift than my .204, but from the above, I didn't find any load that had less wind drift.

    Updated with a few more common bullets.
     
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  6. BobbyJ

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    I got a good deal on .204. Guy bought one a few years ago and only shot 20 rnds in it. He was moving so selling all his guns. Its brand new with a scope, case and 50 rounds of new ammo. No FFL fees or time filling out forms and for $380.00, could not pass it up.

    It does not have the standard 1/12 twist but a 1/10 twist. I know some .204s don't shoot the heavy stuff well. Mine seems to shoot the 40gr fine.

    I only had time to sight it in at 50 yards but it was hole in a hole. Accurate enough for me. The recoil is zilch feels like my 17 WSM.
    I'll take it out to 100yd today and see.

    The ammo was factory Fiocchi 40gr. Bought some for 24.00 box of 50. I don't reload so was good to find cheap good shooting ammo. I read that the factory ammo is so good people can't out do it with time consuming custom loads or its so close its not worth the effort to.
     
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  7. BobbyJ

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    The 204 I bought has 1/10 twist would that shoot the 45gr too?
     
  8. BobbyJ

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    Thanks Drover, good post. You seem to know your stuff. I put 5,000 rnds in a year but most of them are .22 cal PCP pellet guns. no sound at all and deadly to 80 yards. Ammo is 12.00 for 500 rnds :)

    The .204s recoil is like zero to me. My next gun is a ruger 450 Bushmaster but I probably should make a new thread on that. Thanks!
     
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    We are trying to avoid DSG as they are no longer our friend.
     
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  10. BobbyJ

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    I guess I don't understand. Whats wrong with DSG? I don't buy much there because they seem to have higher prices.
     
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    I was in Dick's about maybe 8-10 years ago (and have not been back) and overheard a firearm sale in process. I heard the counter person ask "how many children are in the household?". Dick's must get supplied, or were supplied a different 4473 version than the ones I have had to fill out.

    Danny :rolleyes:
     
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    Two more REALLY good reasons!

    Danny
     
  15. gemihur

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    Interesting thread... lots of positions on the best 400 yd varmint.
    My advice. Start reloading, sir. You'll squeeze more range outta commercial chamberings and you'll open the door to take advantage of some fabulously performing wildcats.
    My personal favorite for this scenario, .222 Remington Magnum improved. Thanks to Mike Bellm.
    G'nite.
     
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  16. BobbyJ

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    I won't be reloading for awhile. Don't have the time or room right now. I probably don't shoot enough for it to pay for itself. I have too many guns and not enough time to shoot them all, reloading will cut into that time.

    For now I just wait for factory ammo to go on sale with free shipping and stock up.
    I don't mind paying 19 to 50 cents a round.
     
  17. CdnHotshot

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    I shoot fur friendly coyote calibre rifles
    I wanted a calibre that was accurate ...flat ...fast...low recoil...low noise level....low recoil and had killing energy on a coyote without fur damage.
    There is no time to use range finders whan a coyote is on an open stubble field and knows he's being scoped. After years of shooting 222's 223's 22-250's 20Tact 204R 20PPC 6PPC 17REM 17Hornet
    I now shoot a 20BR with 39SMK @ 3900 fps which is limited to 450 yards
    Also, 20BR IMPROVED 40deg. with Berger 50's @ 3750fps which is limtied to 600 yards
    The rifle has a BAT action with NF scope and PacNor barrel.
    These calibre choices are unbeatable for my application... serious coyote hunting
     
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  18. BobbyJ

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    So that 20 BR is the same bullet as a .204 ruger but with more powder so you can shoot the 50gr?

    Would that not require a faster twist for the 50s?

    Sounds like I came close on my selection. .204 with 1/10 twist. I can shoot 32, 40 and 45gr factory ammo with the option of reloading if I choose.
     
  19. IdahoSharpshooter

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    22-250 with a 1:9" twist..
     
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  20. BobbyJ

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    This web site agrees with you on that.

    .22-250 Recommended Twist Rates
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    The .22-250 shoots a wide range of bullets very effectively, from 35gr flat-based varmint bullets, to ultra-long 90gr VLDs. However, you’ll need the right twist rate for your choice of bullet. For max velocity and accuracy with the lightest bullets, a 1:14″ twist may be ideal. More versatile is a 1:12″ twist that will allow you to shoot the popular 60-64 grain match bullets. For normal lead-core jacketed bullets, a true 1:9″ twist will let you shoot up to 75gr bullets (except some longer VLDs). The Hornady 75gr BTHP shoots very well in a 9-twist .22-250. Since most .22-250 Rem shooters prefer bullets in the 50-73gr range, a good “do-it-all” solution is a 9-twist.

    Overall, what twist rate is best? For all-around use, including 500-600 yard ground hog matches, we like a 9-twist. That will let you shoot some pretty-high-BC bullets at long range without “choking” the lighter bullets too much. If you don’t plan to shoot at long range, a 12-twist barrel will do the job. The slower twist will give you a bit more velocity, and minimize the risk of jacket failure at high rpms. That’s one reason why the majority of factory .22-250 rifles are sold with 1:12″ twist barrels. Savage does offer some 9-twist barrel options. That’s nice if you shoot in windy conditions and need to stabilize a longer bullet. If you plan to use your .22-250 for across the course (high power) competition, you’ll want to use the 77-80 grain boat-tail match bullets. For those, we suggest an 8-twist barrel (as long as it is a true 1:8″ twist). That will let you shoot the excellent 77gr and 80gr Sierra MatchKings, and 80gr Bergers.
     

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