Best 3 way brass trimmer? Revisited

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  1. Sniper338

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    Id like to revisit case neck turning/trimmers/chamfer/deburr tools.

    Since 21st Century came out with the new attachment... even though its all expensive. It seems like this just put this tool on top. One tool with accessories that neck turn, trim, chamfer, deburr... To my knowledge theres not another tool on the market that does all 4.

    The girard was top, but it doesnt neck turn, so you still have to have a separate set up to do that...

    Seems like buy once cry once, 21st cent lathe has the market for all around best now...

    Agree, disagree?
     
  2. Dusty Stevens

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    I like dedicated neck turning tools, that float in my hand. I wouldnt want a combo unit that did 4 things i want control. That being said the 21st neck turning tool is great and the giraud trimmer is great. But if you bought a pma trimmer, pma or 21st neck turner, and a wilson rocketship combo debur tool think of how much money youd have left over?
     
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  3. rardoin

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    If you are looking for speed...as in processing a couple/few hundred cases in a sitting arguably the Giraud is the best. If speed is not a real concern your money may best be invested in a unit that covers your turning needs too, such as the 21st Century. I was using my powered neck turning set-up to also perform prep with a mated Wilson trimmer. Once case trimming loads got to 150+ per batch the Giraud won hands down.
     
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    I have had good luck with RCBS one I took the inside cutting too to my friend that does tool grinding an had him change the taper to a VLD angle
     
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    I have a Giraud trimmer and a 21st Century neck turning lathe. You want a trimmer that indexes off of the shoulder (like the Giraud) not the base (like the 21st Century or Wilson).Go with separate tools.
     
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  6. Johnny_V

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    My preference is the Forster with its 3 way trimmer. Can also neck turn when needed.
     
  7. Sniper338

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    Oh crap, didnt think about that... really good point...
     
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    i use the pma.trimmer and neck turners with a variable speed drill

    i too like the idea of letting the neck turner float in my hand. my experience is some cases are not concentric in the case holder.

    trimmer does not trim, chamfer and debur but while the case is in the case holder it is simple to touch it up with a.handheld.

    adding this would complete.the system.
    http://www.pmatool.com/case-prep-lathe-with-keyless-chuck/
     
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    Only think I dont like about the Giraud is theres no micrometer adjustment... its all manuel set up each time you change calibers, trial and error.. i ruin brass each time I set it up it seems like.. theres no 1 thou adjustment at a time... its like a cheap RCBS die set up with a lock nut.
     
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    I would not put much concern in the method of indexing. If your dies are good and set properly, the trim length by either method will be good enough to not likely show on target. If your dies are not producing consistent shoulder 'bump' then having gnat's azz precision trimming of the necks is irrelevant as you have bigger fish to fry IMO. I would choose the trimmer that is reasonably accurate (both would be) and the one that fits your loading regime best. In my case I like the speed of trimmer cases with the Giraud 'pencil sharpener';).
     
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    Yes...my only peeve too...but once set I never touch it but I have a cutter for every chambering I use; that must be figured into the cost too.
     
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    Another note....for fairly quick 3-way trimming the Forster unit is relatively low cost and, once you get in the groove, can be very quick. I have seen one in use but never used it. As far as accurate enough how about a 600yd 20 shot F-class 200-22x record with that unit. Just pointing it out as the Forster indexes off the case head.
     
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  13. savagedasher

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    So does the RCBS I have it set for my dasher .
    Every third Time when i anneal the get trim
    And everyone is the same
     
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    The hornady trimmer works pretty good too for a mass produced piece. I bought one for my father to trim a bunch of 7.62 brass and it worked good
     
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    It seems that market lacks a trimmer thats fast, easy to set up for different calibers, micro adjust, indexes off the shoulder, and powered...
     
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    All giraud or some has to do is make aftermarket caliber insert with a micro adjust and itd be the gnats azz. You can set the cutter head or buy different ones to leave set and change out.. but the shell holder part needs to be precise to turn in a thou at a time, until its exactly where it needs to be.

    The screwing in of the shell holder and lock ring isnt precision enough for me.
     
  17. Sniper338

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    I wish I had a way to make stuff.
     
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    Precision stuff or just stuff?:D The Giraud is pretty precise and works well and is very easy to setup once you get use to it.
     
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    Invest in a hobby mill/lathe combo...
     
  20. Sniper338

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    Lol, Id be doing good just to get something chucked up in a lathe, much less make something. Id be broke if I figured out how to chamber and fit a barrel.
     

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