Berger 108 target bt seating depth?

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  1. Falfan2017

    Falfan2017 Gold $$ Contributor

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    Been experimenting with Berger 108s in my straight 6br no neck turn savage criterion. I've settled on a charge of varget over cci 450s that's giving me great vertical and low velocity spreads and giving me about 2880 fps out of a 28" barrel which I'm happy with.
    My question is what seating depth for these do you find works? I've read seating depth mattered less with the 108s and to a certain extent that seems to be true the group sizes are all close to .25 moa but they seem to be getting small with a bigger jump. My last 5 shot group was jumped .024 and had a .19" group at 100. I didn't think I'd be jumping that far so didnt have any loaded deeper. .02 was also a group right at .25" with no fliers. Should I stick with that or keep going deeper?
     
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    There is no simple answer to that question, I usually do seating depth testing with 5 rounds at each seating depth and test out at 600 yards. I have found anywhere from .015 off all the way to .070 off with different barrels.
     
  3. urbanrifleman

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    It seems 20 in or 20 out.
     
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    I shot them extensively in a 6mmBR and a few Dashers. I have found that 7-8 thousandths INTO the lands invariably has worked best. However, I am just as certain that ALL rifles are not the same, ergo you must try, just as I do, ALL seating depths, say from 12 thou IN to 20 thou off, to ascertain where YOUR particular rifle likes them best. Having said that, I would start out at 7-8 thousandths in.
     
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    I did some charge and seating depth tests in one of my BRX's yesterday with the 108's, they dont really seem too picky about seating depth, from .020 OUT to .010 IN all shot very well (10 shot groups at 300) I did notice a definite preference in speed, 2960-2980 seemed to be the sweet spot
     
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    With the 108s I have best luck between .008-.015 out but have never tried going further as was satisfied settling somewhere in between. May have to experiment testing further out, maybe there's something even better.
     
  8. Falfan2017

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    Thank you I need to do more testing sounds like. I don't think I can get 2980 with my straight 6 br. My 2880 load is already over max but no pressure signs.
     
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  9. Judd

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    He’s shooting a BRX not a straight BR...you’re right, that’s a little fast for you to attempt to hit.
     
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    Try using Berger's seating dept method on they website. I have used it with good success with 108's
    If at all possible test at the distance you will be competing at, dont worry about feet per second, constraint on making small groups.
    Good luck
     
  11. Willow

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    I've had great results jumping them .010 out in my BRA. They'll also shoot jammed but you've just got to watch for pressure signs due to the long bearing surface of the bullet.
     
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  12. SPJ

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    I'll be interested in your results with the 108 Bullets, keep me in the loop Please!
    Jim
     
  13. swadiver

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    10 to 15 thou off the lands shoot awesome for me in all the 6BR's i have tried them in
     
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    I'm with SPJ, I want to try these in a Savage I picked up. Love to hear about the not-to-picky aspect.
     
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    all 5 @ 100 yds. N135 avg MV @ 2815

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  16. Falfan2017

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    Yeah with my chosen varget load every group has been under .3 with the best at .198 but hoping to get a bit lower in the teens. But for all practical purposes any load depth would work if you're looking for a quarter moa
     
  17. SPJ

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    Have you tried RL-15
     
  18. swadiver

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    i have used Varget, RE 15, and H4895. Varget works well for me as well, enabling higher velocities without pressure issues. I found RE 15 kind of erratic and a pain to clean the barrels afterwords. N135 seems very accurate and consistent, but unable to reach the Varget velocities without issues. H4895 was similar to the N135, but not as consistently accurate.. i will probably end up using both Varget and N135
     
  19. SPJ

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    I've noticed a difference between 108 Berger and 107 Sierras when seating the Berger seems to require more force, my first thought was they have a slightly larger diameter.
    I can't see any difference in measurement has anyone else noticed the same?
    My answer for the moment is to decrease neck tension by .001 for smooth seating.
    Just curious
    Jim
     
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    N150 would be my next choice.
     

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