Any experience with lost dogs?

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  1. Schippergreg

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    Just Dave is right. The dog doesn’t want to be around people but if you need to catch him a foothold is the way to go. Not sure of the trapping regulations there but a 2 coiled, wide faced or rubber jawed foothold would be my choice. Check very often during freezing weather to prevent any frostbite to the foot.
     
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  2. Just Dave

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    Rubber jaws,,,. Even BETTER idea. Thanks, it's been a few years since I set steel. . I forgot about them completely. Kind of expensive, but best tool for a possible incidental catch. . Probably best if a local trapper got involved to expedite the process. They're not hard to find, and most always friendly.
     
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  3. Someoldguy

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    I guess I'm a butthole. Not that I don't sympathise with the dog and what it's been through, but suppose it's caught and returned.

    Then what?

    Same scenario later on? Not all dogs are good dogs. 2 legged or 4 legged.
     
  4. savagedasher

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    I think dogs are like kids
    Most dogs are bad the just have bad owners
    Same with kids they have bad parents
     
  5. Someoldguy

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    I don't know about that. I've known really good people with really bad kids, really bad people with really good kids and sometimes both in the same family.

    If you know the magic formula you should write a book.
     
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  6. savagedasher

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    I have great kids And grandchildren
    None have ever been in trouble
    They are dependable honest
    And the grand kids are the same
    I have 6 boys from other families
    That I raced with and they are the same
    I guess it is like the old saying birds. Of a feather stick together
    I probably spent more time with the kids their parents
    As for dogs I have had over 70 and none wet bad
     
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    Indeed.

    Give chances and try, but be prepared to give GameKings.
     
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  8. Bc'z

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    When you put out food and a tshirt, place it near a tree with with some low hanging branches for natural shelter. Maybe take a few flakes of straw for bedding also.
    Move one of your wireless cameras and put a pattern on him.
    Mistreated dogs can still be won over dont give up on him yet.
     
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    Lots of good ideas guys, appreciate the input. He's still around but only eating food outside the trap. I'm going to pass along the suggestions given so far.
     
  10. Ggmac

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    Good luck and THANK YOU !
     
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    I agree. Been around hunting dogs all my life and have seen a really goofy shy one or two. Had a homemade trap that would usually work but seen a couple cases where a foot trap had to be used. There are steel traps with rubber pads on the jaws. Also steel traps with laminated jaws that will not break the skin. Use size 1 1/2 laminated to catch him just on the toes and not high on the ankle. His foot will be fine. Far better than being in the cold dead of winter.
     
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    If dogs are like horses, they often associate abuse with all men or all women. Maybe having a woman set up or pursue instead of a man will help.

    Instead of a trap do you have a small shed or building with large door that you could empty into a shelter? Get him eating in there and you’ll be in a great position to catch him.

    It was cold last night and snow is coming tonight, maybe follow his tracks and get an idea where he ranges.

    David
     
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    The rescue group is setting up another trap. I've given them suggestions and info posted here and they're getting good advice from their own experts, which has matched what's been posted here. I've been just letting them come and go as they please and do whatever they want to do. The snow may be helpful in seeing where he goes when he leaves the area.
    Again, thanks for all the tips.
     
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    This sounds like a good idea.
     
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  15. JSH

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    Your intentions are good and mean well. Without knowing the pups history you are in for a fairly long haul.

    As mentioned above, another dog that loves you will lure the other in. Not saying your going to pet him and give affection ten minutes later. You will be looking at days or weeks to earn his trust.
     
  16. AckleymanII

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    Some dogs are just extremely shy like some people are very shy. They are not necessarily abused in any way, they are just shy. This personality trait we saw in a number of bird dogs as we had around 20 pups a year. We sold some, kept some, some became family pets, some died of un natural causes. These shy dogs that would run off were very difficult to deal with.

    This shy and smart dog reminds me of a bird dog we had growing up named Ootz. Ootz was shy, would wag his tail and never let anyone pet him. He was trying to be friendly enough to where you would feed him. Of course he did not make it as a bird dog, he ran off on the first hunt. Ootz became the family pet, kinda. We did not have a pen to put him in, so he ran loose in the small country town we lived in. Now Ootz was great at retrieving mops and boots that were left on the back door steps from neighbors all over town. Newspapers were not uncommon in our back yard as Ootz followed the paper boy trying to catch a newspaper. He would catch a cat once in a while and would carry it around for days, very proud of himself.

    Dad got tired of the complaints and built a dog house with small pen to keep Ootz in. Well, Ootz could climb chain link as good as any squirrel.

    It was about a mile to down town in this small country town of about 4000. We had 4 cops in our small town. One of the cops paraded around like a peacock with all his buttons and whistle shined, tight hair, Daper Dan man. This cop was a lady's man. Well, this cop had his car washed everyday. Now Ootz had a time table that put him at city hall around 11 am in the morning. The cop had his car back from the car wash usually by 10 AM. Ootz developed the habit of liking to urinate on the cops tires. Ootz would usually urinate on more than one tire. The cop car looked perfect except for the urine stained tires. The cop was naturally furious as his image was stained while parading around trying to impress the ladies.

    I rode my buzz bike to town to pay the water bill at city hall, carried my sheridan pellet rifle right into city hall with me...no big deal. The cop caught me one trip and told me he was going to shoot Ootz if we did not keep him up. Two days later I rode my buzz bike to town with pellet rifle to pay the electric bill at Duke Power. I heard a shot. I went outside and the cop had shot Ootz right on main street with a shotgun!

    Two days later in the town newspaper, Headlines was, "Rabid Dog Shot on Main Street". It was quite the talk for a while of how we had a Rabid dog living at our house and this must have been why he was dragging off everyone's laundry off the clothes lines, angry at newspapers, carrying off muddy boots, and mops.

    The family missed that crazy Ootz. So, dad brought home another shy bird dog for another family pet, but put a fence around the yard to keep the dog up. Well, this Dog was a digger. After two weeks, it looked like our house had come under a mortar attack with all the two foot deep craters all over the front and back yard where that crazy dog was trying to dig up moles. It rained for a week once, I told my daddy that our house looked like Viet Nam.

    My push mower only had three wheels, and I told daddy that I could not navigate the holes with only three wheels. Daddy blew me off on getting me another wheel, so I put Coleman lantern fuel in the lawn mower gas tank, and now I had what sounded like a hover craft going over the holes. The lawn mower burned up in an hour or so, so I did not have to worry about cutting grass anymore.

    By this time, the dog had got under the house and tore all the insulation loose from the floor. Everybody burned trash in their back yard at that time, so the dog got into the burnt trash barrel and made a mess of the yard. Mama loved that dog, so daddy did not shoot him.

    The dog finally got used to the family, then chewed the screen wire off the bottom of the back porch, and the house got full of flies. Now mama did not like the dog anymore.

    The final straw. Daddy bought 250 half grown chickens every Spring from his friend that fought chickens, he and I butchered them, freezing them. The chickens arrived in a large slatted wooden box that was about 4'x10' with a lid on top. That dog somehow opened the latch, then the lid. Those 250 half grown chickens scattered through out the small town. Sundown was never the same with all the crowing going on. Did you know that Chickens crow in their sleep, all night long? People were complaining, and the city council called daddy in to the meeting. Something had to be done. It was supposedly Illegal to fire a weapon in town. The city council passed a law that daddy could shoot a dozen chickens a night before 10 pm. We cleaned chickens all Summer after daddy got home from work, 22 Marlin and shorts dispatched the chickens with a good flashlight.

    Daddy's best friend was the town Judge. The Judge was legally half owner of both of these Shy dogs, but we kept that quiet. The judge offered to shoot the dog for daddy in the city council meeting, then others offered to take the dog. Others offered to take the chickens if they could be trapped, it was just one heck of a mess. Chickens were scratching up the town's flower gardens, and others were feeding the chickens. There was a feud for a while between the chicken lovers and the Garden Club, the Marlin 22 won. We needed the chickens in the freezer to feed the family.

    This Rescue thread has gone down hill for sure.

    There is a moral to this story, when it comes to shy dog problems, it maybe better to allow a shy dog to be someone else's problem, if you do not have the resources/time to take on unlimited, unknown problems/costs with an animal. Three of the four dogs and cat that I own are strays that are not shy.

    Some of life's lessons, you just never forget.
     
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    As a former livestock owner, I strongly disagree. On more occasions than I care to remember I have had to deal with the problem of owners who chose to make their unwanted or untrainable pets some one else's problem. Given a choice, I'd rather shot the irresponsible owner than the pet, but in MY state, protection of livestock is considered a valid reason for termination of a domesticated animal.

    Not so much for undomesticated animal owners .

    Pity.
     
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  18. Gman

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    That was an interesting story !
     
  19. AckleymanII

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    You misunderstood The Life Lesson. Our family could have avoided a lot of problems by not taking on a shy dog, these two dogs should have been shot. Dad was Trying to rescue a shy dog,give the kids a pet, and you should see what my poor family went through?

    Life Lesson: How Much Hell are you going to put your family though for a crazy dog that should be put down? No right answer to this question, but there are very expensive consequences!

    I had up to 17 mules at a time when I lived in Az. The mules took care of dogs that got in the pasture that wanted to chase them. Small mare mules are cunning in how they entice, then box a dog to death with their front feet, wild javelina and pot belly pigs that wonder out of the owner's yards, also.

    Az. had a law that any dog that chased live stock on some else's property could be hunted down and shot, even on the dog owners property. I am not going into that short rambling dog story.
     
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  20. Someoldguy

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    Mules and donkeys are often put in with goats and/or sheep in my area to dispatch attacking coyotes. How well it works depends upon the disposition of said stubborn beast.

    Making any problem of yours someone else's is poor form and reprehensible behavior. It's a character trait I chose to not display and find repugnant in others. Some folks seem to think they can overcome the nature of a beast with good intentions and patience. So they set about looking for problems to adopt and correct. Nobel intentions, perhaps but ultimately a fool's errand and folly.

    I am reminded of the tale of The Frog and the Scorpion.

    If you are not famaliar with the tale, I suggest it is worth the time to seek out and read.

    Sorry for the thread drift. Some things get my dander up.
     

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