Any 224 Hybrid Hopes?

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  1. deadduck357

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    Any new news of Litz designing a 224 hybrid? Noticed an old post from 2015 but nothing lately. With the ELD and now Federal about to drop their "new" cartridge I'm surprised Berger hasn't got a hybrid option. A 75-80 gr hybrid in either the target or elite hunter or tactical should have the length to rival the 90 gr VLD BC.
     
  2. deadduck357

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    Well I guess that answered my question.
     
  3. RDavies

    RDavies Silver $$ Contributor

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    I know I would like something to come out which will help to bridge the gap slightly between 223s and 308 F/TR loads. Maybe an 85gn bullet would be good.
     
  4. XTR

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    You aren't going to rival the BC of the 90VLD in a lighter bullet with out making it a whole lot longer with a lot of copper in place of the lead, and that's not going to fit into anything shorter than a 308 sized magazine, and is going to need something faster than a 1:7 to stabilize.

    I'm not sure there is much that can be done with the 223 beyond where we are with the current 80s and the 90VLD.

    The Hornady 80ELD that replaced the 80Amax has about the best BC out in an 80. Between the 80s and the 90VLD is the 90 Sierra. It is easier to get to shoot than the 90VLD, and is almost as slick.

    The 90VLD will run with the 185Juggs out to 1000 yards in an F-TR rifle, but most F-TR shooters (at least in the states) are shooting 200s now. The problem most seem to have encountered in trying get the 223 to shoot to 1000 in F class is that it's nearly impossible to keep the ES down to levels that will keep you competitive in F-TR. (For the record I shoot a 223 with 90VLDs in mid range F-TR and love it)

    Bryan commented in here once on further development in the 223. If I recall correctly, the gist was that the case holds a special place because of TR/Palma/F-TR and trying to make a low recoil round that will run with the 308s but that there isn't a whole lot left that can be done
     
  5. deadduck357

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    Might not match the VLD but a 80 hybrid design should stretch it out to get close in BC but be lighter.

    Yes I like to 80 ELDs, just wondering why Berger or Litz hasn't done a hybrid.

    Should be good in the 224 Valkyrie.
     
  6. skiutah02

    skiutah02 Gold $$ Contributor

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    ^yep
     

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