679 Pound Black Bear Harvested in PA.

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  1. 284winner

    284winner Gold $$ Contributor

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    I Always cook it medium rare. Been eating it for 30 years that way. Guess it's safe. I'm Still around. Even pork isn't unsafe when pink inside based in recent studies. Been published for years that pork is unsafe if under cooked. Newer studies proven wrong all these years. Bear meat is safe if pink when eaten. In fact, it's flavor is best that way. Don't believe everything you read.
     
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  2. msinc

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    I'm not sure you will "drop", but don't ever think it can't happen to you...had a tenant whose husband got stationed in Ca. They were 2nd gen. Americans but had many relatives still in Mexico. She went to visit her grandmother and got trichinosis from uncooked pork. She no sooner got home and got sick. Seizures and then a month long coma before she finally passed away....she was only 26. Definitely want to cook your wild meat enough.
     
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  3. 284winner

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    NC and PA bears will compete with any BC bear including Prince or Whales or Vancouver island bears. Heads are the only part of those bears that will best a NC or PA bear. Canadian bears known for the largest skulls. Shockey hunts those huge Canadian bears as well as guides hunters to them. He's hunted NC bears and has admitted and admired the magnificent size of those bears is surprisingly equal to the biggest of Canadian black bear bruins.
     
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    People have and do die from trichinosis but people also die from plane crashes. Actually more from plane crashes. It's a very low number of actual deaths from it. Much more illness than death. It's all but gone from pork since the garbage feeding of pigs/hogs has been eliminated. Bears eat garbage but as Steve Rinella studied bears and trichinosis, he's cooked his bear meat to just over 140° to 150° with zero issues of the disease. My preference isn't so much using a thermometer but getting the meat pink but clear not bloody. Medium rare is what I call it. It's hot not cool. Clear not red bloody and done. If it's cooked beyond that, it's tough and distasteful. Most will not like bear meat if cooked beyond med/med rare.
     
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  5. msinc

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    Yes sir, an 829 pound black bear is unreal!!! Most grizzlies don't get that big. I am really not trying to argue, but.......

    "Heads are the only part of those bears that will best a NC or PA bear. "

    This is absolutely true, the problem is the head is what they go by for the record books, B&C, etc. And actually even that isn't true much anymore...the current world record black bear killed by a hunter is a Pa. bear whose skull was only 1/16" less than the Utah "biggest" bear ever on record.
    This method of measuring "the record" doesn't seem right to me...they should incorporate the weight or size somehow and factor it in. A 400 pound Alaskan black can often score higher in the record books than one exceeding 600 pounds in the lower 48.

    "Canadian bears known for the largest skulls..."

    They are known for big ones, but not bigger on average than Alaska. The world record black bear was found dead in Utah, as above the number 2 for size is a Pa. bear.
     
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    Need to have a disabled permit to use a vehicle of any sort. Millions of acres of state game and forest land inaccessible unless you are an Olympian.
     
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  7. hogpatrol

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    I hunted bear in Maine and every bear carcass went to the dump. Saved the hides and skulls (and another part) only.
     
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  8. 284winner

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    Yes I certainly believe that. Canadian bear skulls on black bears did rule in general. Today I would believe NC and PA black bears have and will continue to take that first place seat also. Gotta make the trip out there for a hunt one day. As others have said who live there, its not easy hunting.
     
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  9. Immike

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    Do the rules in some states require the meat retrieved like other game?
     
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  10. hogpatrol

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    Don't know. The entire animal was brought back and skinned. IIRC the meat was full of worms.
     
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    One more question please, what would a hide and head weight be? Sounds like a load by itself.
     
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  12. helmut in the bush

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    I've seen the worms, that's why I'm not eating it.
     
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  13. msinc

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    A hide can be very heavy...especially if it is wet. Even dry, a big bear over 400 pounds will have a hide that weighs a good 100 lbs., mostly because of the amount of fat attached to it. Wouldn't be so terrible if you could flesh it out where it died. One that size that is prepped and ready to go on a form to mount is probably 50 pounds, maybe a little less. A big bear head just skinned can weigh 30-35 pounds.
    While we are on the subject of bears.....here is a tip for all you bear hunters that would like to have a nice trophy mounted: I don't know why, but the black bear is one animal that for some reason the hair in and on their ears will slip very easily. If it's warm out and/or you have to track it and it has been down for a while the tendency will be that much worse. Always {if there is any way you can!!} carry some de-natured alcohol and soak the inside and outside of those ears asap. Even if the temperature is below freezing. I realize you just cant always travel with de-natured alcohol, but if you can I definitely recommend that you do it. Do not use rubbing alcohol, that contains water and wont help the problem.
    I don't know which big bear in Pa. this happened to, and it could be a tale, but legend has it that the hunter drove around showing off his bear for days and the hide slipped, ruining his chance of a good mount. Get your trophy to a good taxidermist that will skin it and get it prepped as soon as possible. If there ever is a time to choose the right "person for the job" it is for sure when you want a bear mounted!!!!!
     
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  14. FJIM

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    I have never hunted them much but there seems to be so many anymore I am going to have to get after them. Yea the hills are tough anymore. At 52 I have a hard time getting around anymore and I am in good condition for a 52 year old. But I can't get up and down these hills like I used to. I have been trying to work out and get back to a younger self. You have to use a good 4x4 4wheel'er and need a good ridder or spotters to get up some places to drag one. Most of the time if you pull one off a Truck to go get a Big animal with a few people helping no one says anything even though you are not allowed. Most understand it is the only way. Now if they catch you joy ridding as some will say went to drag out a deer and they were off ridding around for two hours and I have seen it. they will bust you.
     
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  15. Dans40X

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    Skull dimensions do not quadruple in size,like body weight in a good "eating season"

    "Tis the reason you "Judge" the ears,score the skull,square the hide & not the body size/weight.

    German Sheppard size ears on the top of the head on any species of bear is relegated as a juvenile.

    Ears appearing the size of your thumb,appearing offset to the side of the head is a bruin/BUCKET HEAD of 19"-23" skull size aka Grizz size!!
     
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  16. Dans40X

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    Those beating the brush,attempting to stalk or drive bears into or out of swamps & rolling hills/knobs are going about the task the hard way.

    Stand fast & bring the bears to you.

    There is ONE thing that interests a bear more than the eating machine that they are- poontang.
    A menstruating woman will bring boars running from 10-15 mile distances.

    Hunt Smarter not harder!!
     
  17. JRS

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    We aren't talking about pork. Hogs are no longer fed the garbage we used fatten them up with. I pull a pork roast at 135 degrees, and let it sit for 10 minutes before carving it. The temp increases roughly 5-8 degrees while sitting. Bears are not fed in feed lots, nor are they monitored by the USDA.
     
  18. 284winner

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    Correct, I get that. Pretty much what I last stated however bear meat isn't dangerous if not cooked to 160 either. Again, I've cooked it to 145-150 and because it doesn't need to "rest" because it's not a roast size piece of beef, i use chops/loins cut 1.5-2" thick and cook till medium/med rare,( burger I cook completely just because I prefer all burger cooked till brown). The meat is fine. No blood but pink, tender and very safe to eat. I know it's hard to believe but not everything that is published out there is 100% correct/fact. Everyone errors on the side of safety. Max loads for reloading aren't everyone's max load. How many times have you gone beyond a printed max load in a reloading book ? This is my point. Being smart is worth more than a warning printed about eating bear meat. As I said I've been hunting and eating bears for over 30 years and never been even sick from eating under cooked bear. Lucky ??? Maybe. Doubtful tho. I believe I cook it perfectly fine but much lower than 160-165. Theory is simply that...Theory.
     
  19. hogpatrol

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    PA has 1.5 million acres of state game lands and 2.2 million acres of state forest land. Once the boomer hunters are gone, they'll find out what being broke is really all about.
     
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  20. dkhunt14

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    We lost half our hunters in the last ten years. We went from way over a million to about half that. Matt
     
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