6.5 Creed - 147 ELDM Load Advice

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  1. RMitch223

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    I'm currently doing load development for 6.5 Creed in a new Kreiger barrel using the 147 ELDM and H-4350 with Peterson large primer brass.
    Ive got 39gn to 41gn loaded for testing this weekend. I'm .020 off the lands right now.

    Anybody have any pet loads they would like to share?
    Any recommendations on charge weight or seating depth?

    Thanks!
     
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  2. MikeMcCasland

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    I worked up something using roughly that same combo.

    I'm loading 40.6gr of H4350 behind the 147 in Alpha brass. They're seated at .010 off the lands.

    They're running at 2780FPS; It definitely a low node, and I'll be running tests this weekend to see if I can't find a faster node.

    For what it's worth, my barrel is a 30" HV Krieger with a .199 FB chamber.

    Edit: I'm pretty sure Alpha brass has lower capacity than Peterson, so you'll probably find your node slightly higher (~41gr I'd guess)
     
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  3. RMitch223

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    Thanks Mike I appreciate the info.
     
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    40.9 H4350 @ 2.230 Starline brass @2765 fps out of a McGowan 26" tube Savage action

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    IMG_20190328_182540_211.jpg H4831 147gr ELD Peterson Virgin case, with 3700rds on the barrel.
     
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    20190510_000133.jpg H4831SC 147gr ELD Alpha Brass FGMMAR
    3600rds on the barrel.
     
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  7. RMitch223

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    That's about the speed I'm wanting to achieve. My barrel is also a 26". Thank you for the info.
     
  8. FrankG

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    Be careful on chamber spec's as from one gun to the next it can effect pressures and velocity. Not to mention bore and groove size of the barrel. Tighter bore/groove spec. and it can drive up pressures and you might have to run a lower powder charge etc...

    That being said I'm running a 23" finish length barrel. Hornady brass. 147 ELD-M and 150SMK .010"-.015" off the lands with 41.5 of H4350 and I'm right at 2705fps. avg. velocity. Gun drives nails with both bullets. The chamber on my gun has a .020" shorter throat length than a min. spec. standard reamer.

    I just loaded up and shot a few rounds of the new 153 A Tips. Accuracy was excellent with the same exact load. Didn't clock them though for velocity.

    At 41.5 I'm saying that is a max load.

    Later, Frank
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  9. SFGUY

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    I like the 147’s but i dont shoot them in the summer in Florida from either of my barrels. I am at 2755 FPS and i get a little pressure when it gets hotter here. I drop back to the 142/140 grain bullets. Do you also like the 143’s? They shoot very well in all four of my creedmoor.

    Shoot safe
     
  10. Richard Whitcomb

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    Hmmm, well I spent a lot of powder on 140 and 147 ELD match bullets out of my Savage FV. Only mods are lambeth bolt lift, trigger polish, and a bedded Bell and Carlson A5 stock with a Vortex gen 2 4.5-27×56 scope. Powder used Hogdon 100 V with 41 grains bullet .010 off lands. Savage has a long chamber. I put a washer between the stock and magazine to load longer rounds. 3 shots one very small hole. Try it you will like it!
     
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  11. RMitch223

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    Where would you guys advise I go from here to tighten these groups up? First group is 39gn (2650fps). Second group is 39.5 (2680fps). I was thinking about testing .3 grain increments around these charge weights. Any suggestions?
     

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  12. BP1

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    More trigger time on the gun will tighten them right up. I don’t chase the magic load get it close and shoot the hell out of it. I would take either one of those and be a happy shooter.
     
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    What twist barrel are you running those 153s thru ?
     
  14. RMitch223

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    I’m gonna see if there is a sweet spot between those charge weights. Then load them up and go out to distance.
     
  15. FrankG

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    Stupid fast! It's a 1-6.75 twist. Why? Not because of the 153's. I originally was having the shop make the barrel for the new 150SMK. We we're kinda guessing at least a 1-7 twist and they might need a faster twist yet. So I had the shop make me a 1-6.75 twist.

    I've shot 140's, 147's, 150SMK and now the new 153 and 135 bullets thru it. Even shot the Warner Flatline 121gr. Everything has shot really well thru the barrel to date. I cannot complain about the handloads as well as box Hornady ammo. As of this past Saturday the barrel now has 270 rounds on it. Gonna be doing more testing in the next week or two and I'll shoot it in another PRS match middle of June and another in late July.
     
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    How do the 150’s shoot compared to the 147’s? Any noticeable difference in accuracy? I was thinking about trying them next. I’m running a 1:7.5” twist - 26”.
     
  17. FrankG

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    To be fair I haven’t sat there and tweaked the loads every which way. With the limited load development done the 150’s do shoot a little better than the 147 in terms of flat out accuracy. How they fly for bullet drop etc...to close to tell which one is flat out better. Also with the limited amount of the 153’s I shot I’ll say those shoot just as good or a tad better than the 150’s do. Hadn’t shot the 135 for any hard accuracy and just in a PRS match. In the match and doing testing from 400 to 800 yards the 135’s shot a full minute flatter than the 147 and 150gr bullets.
     
  18. theallcineyes

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    I've been working on the 147 in my creed. I've been very impressed to say the least. 3 shot groups regular in the .1s. I've tried rl-17 and rl-26. With rl-17 41 grains got me to 2785. Which isn't bad but I wanted more. 41.5 got me to 2849 with a very nice group. I had one high velocity reading which brought my es to just over 30 but without that one reading I had an es of 11. I've also ran rl-26 but I haven't chronoed it yet. My load with that is 47.5 grains so Im expecting 2900ish.
     
  19. sbhooper

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    147 under 46 grains of Re 26-if you can find it-gets me 2745, from my 24-inch Criterion barrel.
     
  20. Evan

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    The two groups are holding very close waterlines and the groups show mostly horizontal spreading, so I think the load is fine. Load 39.3 to be in the middle and go practice with wind flags would be my recommendation. The horizontal dispersion usually means the wind or your gun-handling technique is off.
     

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