450 Bushmaster vs 45-70 Govt

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  1. Texas10

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    .243 Win. Simple yet elegant, lightweight and does the job every time.

    No need to keep a doctor on call for shoulder surgery :D:p:p:p
     
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  2. BobbyJ

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    Think the topic is about 450BM and 45-70.
     
  3. JBT

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    .45-70 in a Ruger No. 1 would be sweet.
     
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    It was a joke, ah say a JOKE son! (in my best Foghorn Leghorn imitation)
     
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  5. Mark W

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    I had a couple of friends pick up 450 Bushmasters last year for the Ohio gun season. Both were very happy to take a deer on their first time out with their new guns. The exit wounds were impressive but I don’t know what ammo they were using.
     
  6. RampedRaptor

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    Just got done researching this very thing.
    Ohio has similar cartridge requirements as you.

    Looked at the 450bm, 45 raptor, 45-70, 450 marlin, 357 max, 444 marlin and 460SW. In semi autos, bolt actions (savage barrel nut/prefit) and single shot.

    End result:
    444 marlin in a cva scout V2 SS.

    Reason:
    Deer are easy to kill and that’s this guns only purpose. I have different possible shooting lanes stretching over 300 yards.
    As a Reloader I felt the 444 marlin offered me a lot of options and the best performance. I’m not recoil sensitive but a 265gr at 2500+ FPS in a sub 6 pound rifle is noticeable. I can load reduce recoil loads for the wife that will still shoot relatively flat to 100ish yards.

    The 450 bushmaster would be fun in a semi auto for pig blasting but for deer hunting, I just didn’t want to carry a AR.
     
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  7. BobbyJ

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    Yes I recently bought a gunsite scout in stainless in 450 BM
    I use Hornady Ammunition 450 Bushmaster 250 Grain

    [​IMG]
     
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    How about the TC Encore platform. That way you could have 45-70, 450B (custom barrel) or even (like me) a 460 S&W Katahdin that measures all of 20". This one makes the Encore a most handy and capable rifle.
     
  9. BobbyJ

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    Yea TC makes some nice stuff. A buddy has a TC in a muzzle loader.

    I have a Dimension in .204 ruger (that can be swapped out to 30-06, 223, 6.5 creed, 243, 308, 300 wmag etc. Very versatile and you don't need to go and fill out forms to move to a different caliber all can be mailed right to you with no middle man.
     
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    Only problem is, illegal in shotgun zones. These straight walls are legal. Otherwise I'm thinking any other rifle cartridge would be a better choice that the 45 cal thumpers.
     
  12. BobbyJ

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    Good point that is the main reason I bought a 450 BM. Its perfect for 200 yard on in and puts them down fast. Its that or a shotgun in my zone.

    Many kids and women use the 243 for deer for there little recoil but i think that is a bad idea. .243 is too small to make a not perfect shot and the 243 leaves little room for mistakes. Yes it can put one down but also many more run offs.
     
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    IMO that's a pretty controversial issue. I'll not comment on it BUT yes you IMO are correct on the 450 BM( not that you need my approval). I believe the BM is a better choice than any shotgun or muzzleloader. Any straight wall cartridge in the 1.8" case length 40 caliber or larger is a better choice than the available legal choices otherwise. Michigan has the same laws as Ohio on the cartridge specs.
     
  14. RampedRaptor

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    However, Ohio doesn’t impose the 1.8” case length limitation that Michigan and a few other states do.
     
  15. Bojo

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    I used a 444 marlin for a few years as a rainy day and deer driving gun. Extremely accurate off sand bags at 100 yards with a 240 remington or hornady 240 xtp. Knocks the snot right out of a whitetail pretty fast. Pretty much all of the 44 Cal and up marshmellow shaped bullets have very poor bc. I just picked the one that got there the fastest with a bone stock hunting rifle. Kinda gona be a Ford vs Chevy deal on which ever you choose.

    I traded it off last year for a model 88 in 308. Still have yet to test out the 88 so I sure hope I'm not sorry.
     
  16. BobbyJ

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    Oh if that were the case in Michigan I might have bought me one of these in 45-70
    [​IMG]
     
  17. RampedRaptor

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    If I had more than 8 or so days to hunt with the rifle I would of bought one of those too lol
     
  18. BobbyJ

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    That Gunsite Scout cost be about the same as that gun and it does not have the WOW of the lever. I really wanted that gun but would be illegal.

    But the scout is super easy to carry 5.5 pounds and don't care if it gets a little dirty.
     
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    Oh really. Wasn't aware. Last I knew they did have a 1.8" limit BUT no list of approved cartridges as Michigan did at the time. Today Michigan has only the 1.8" case limit. No limitations on what cartridge. At one point the 45 Raptor wasn't on Michigan's "Approved" cartridge list so aquiring .460 brass and turning the case rim was necessary.
     
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