2k yd elr match

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  1. Alex Wheeler

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    Unofficially so far...
    Bipod/prone 40lb. max
    unlimited
     
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    I don't want to shoot against Tom's Pierce Ti 6.5 CM you built him. :( That thing is ridiculously accurate for an ultralight hunting rifle ;)
     
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  3. Alex Wheeler

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    Ok 7-15lb lol
     
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    I'm thinking bench OR belly myself. I don't want to exclude anyone who would rather lay on the ground. It's likely I would rather be on the ground for a "bipod" class anyways.

    Keep suggestions coming guys, this is just past the pipe dream stage.

    Tom
     
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    I just want to fit in somewhere! I'll bring a couple of rigs
     
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    no bench ?
     
  7. Alex Wheeler

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    Unlimited is anything you want to do . The range we plan to hold it has benches. So you can shoot off a bench in unlimited. The range has a no .50s rule. So that will be an issue for guys with 50s, but the organization does not ban them.
     
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    I'll bring that 22 Alex
     
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    We dont plan to hold this shoot until August.
     
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    long range shooting is easy....
    it is hitting what you aim at that is hard!
     
  12. fredo

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    With respect to weight limits, my opinion was focused more around that it would be something of an 'unofficial' form of cartridge limitation for that class. If a 20lb. Max total weight didn't exclude the really 'big boomers' from that class by mass alone, the rifles that did make weight would at least be subject to enduring higher recoil and difficulty level while shooting it from the prone position...

    As an example, a shooter with an 18lb. 7SAUM might actually do better than someone shooting an 18lb. .338Lapua, simply due to how much more pleasant the former is to shoot prone, than the latter.
    And if a shooters rifle is well under a 20lb. limit, that would allow them to run a heavier rear bag, which certainly helps when your belly's in the dirt...

    Just some musings to consider. I truly think there are more shooters out there that would entertain shooting in a class like this. Most importantly because, it'd be leaning the emphasis back toward shooter skill, over equipment choice.

    Wish y'all the best for a safe & fun shoot!
     
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    Fredo,
    Have you been behind a 20lb 338? I free recoil mine, its like a 243. And its on a foldable bipod. I can see a real sporter weight say closer to 10 pounds, but honestly most guys that have a rifle over 15lb are all in the same league IMO. Another thing worth talking about is, this IS 2000 yards. Most sub 15lb rifle just are not built to get out that far, could we be creating a class no one would even shoot? Id like to hear for anyone reading that owns something more along the lines of a sporter/ lr hunter 10-15 ish and how many are interested in shooting this
     
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    Alex, if I didn't, I'd be talking out my azz.

    Dunno where 15lbs came from, that makes zero sense? </= 20lbs total gear would cover the whole field of 'sporter' rifles pretty well.

    I've shot my 18lb. 30-338 Norma Improved side by side with both an AI-AW .338L and Surgeon Remedy .338L on several occasions, both in the 20lb. range. My rifle is a pussycat to shoot, comparatively. My 6.5 SAUM or former 7WSM...even more so.

    In short, I wouldn't personally feel handicapped shooting a stout 6.5SAUM against a lighter weight .338L, or the like. Course my Norma would be a better mousetrap, and make the weight. Even braked, the concussion of a big boomer while prone off a small 'field' bipod is enough to wear on a shooter and allow a level of discomfort that'd mitigate the obvious ballistic advantage.

    IMHO, slapping a wide leg F-TR bipod under a bench rig does not make it a sporter rifle. It'd be about allowing the guys that carry and or hunt with their rifles a chance to enjoy competing against each other, in the dirt. Or, not.
     
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    Sorry, but I fail to see an allure for "practical rifle shooters" since to shoot 2000yds, a rifle's sights already have to be modified beyond practical shooting distances. Also, I've never heard of a "practical rifle class" to any shooting realm at normal shooting distances, and only seen the lack of such interest at 1/2 this distance, so why would such so called "practical rifle shooters" suddenly flock to compete at 2000, or other impractical distances.
    Donovan
     
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    What dates are y’all leaning toward for this match?
     
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    I have yet to shoot past 1,000 yards, so I have no experience with the calibers needed. I have seen a few people at our local range with some nice 300 Winchester Mag elk hunting rifles in the 10 to 12 pound range with muzzle breaks and Nightforce scopes; would rifles like this be competitive?
     
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    I was not factoring in the gear, just rifle weight. Im not into the whole package weight thing, makes no sense to me and ads another area for guys to have to spend money.

    This class if it happens would be folding leg bipods and a weight limit. Im open to the idea, but skeptical anyone would show up. We are talking about sporters capable of putting a group on paper at 2k. Id think a rare rifle.
     
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    No dates yet.
    The 300 WM very well could be competitive. This first shoot will teach use all a lot. If things are really good condition wise a 7 raum or 300 wsm could clean house. I am expecting the 338 edge/lapua to be the sweet spot and dont have a lot of hope for the cheytac sized cases.
     
  20. fredo

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    Spend money???

    I'm trying to help create a 'class' for shooters who already have these rifles to hunt and shoot with!

    Reckon most scoped 'sporter' rifles are in the 13-16lb range. Give or take. Add a pound or so for a "field" bipod, and the balance of weight for rear bag of choice. Viola, there's 20lbs or less. And to your point...NO MONEY out of pocket!!!

    What doesn't make sense about that?
     

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