221 fireball vs. 223

Discussion in 'Small Stuff--22s, 20s, and 17s' started by model 12 toby, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. model 12 toby

    model 12 toby

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    how much different are they really? remington lists ammo at 2995. how much faster is 223? i have cooper model 21 in 221 fireball. it's real nice but how far will it reach? 300 tops or so?
     
  2. Ackman

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    Well the .223 is identical except it's longer and uses more powder. Of course there's a noticeable difference. My .221 load is a 40@3450. Some people use other powder and get more velocity. The 40gr/.223 loads are doing 3900-4000.
     
  3. stevec

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    I reached 4100 using this info http://www.accuratereloading.com/221rfb.html

    Just had to see My FB fly that fast. It turned out to be one of the more accurate loads.
    I never shot it past 100yds at paper but I believe it would go 300. Probably have some wind isues though.

    Steve
     
  4. model 12 toby

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    wonder what barrel life and brass life would be at 4100? wow!!!!!!!!!!
     
  5. stevec

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    Dont know, Igot bored and rechambered to .222 but, I doubt it hurts it much with as little powder you are using.

    I couldnt believe it when I read that data so I had to try. Had to tap the case on the bench to get all the powder in! No pressure signs at all.

    Steve
     
  6. SmokinJoe

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    That chart is sorta hard to comprehend. What load, specifically, did you use? PM me if you don't want it public. I have gotten almost 3700 with 40 gr. bullets, but that would not be a practical, safe load. Most accurate practical load I've shot to date is 19.5 grs N-130 with 40 Blitzking giving about 3350 fps avg velocity & little bugholes. I can probably get another grain or so N-130 in the case, so will work with that a little more. Would like to end up with a safe, accurate load around 3500. Gonna try RL-7, too.
     
  7. alf

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    I wore out one Fireball barrel shooting 40 BT's at 3500 with AA-1680. Most of my 223's run around 3800 with the same bullet and AA-2230. In good conditions, I have killed prairie dogs at 500 plus with the Fireball. Don't underestimate it.
     
  8. stevec

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    I used as much 4227 as I could shake in to a case with the 30 gr bergers. I never got quite what they did but it ran around 4080 to 4100. Never did get high pressure but I worked up to this load. I only stopped because I got tired of trying to get that much powder in that case.

    Steve
     
  9. niceone

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    yes dont under estimate the fireball
     
  10. Rustystud

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    Hope that goose was the domestic type..

    It is a federal crime to shoot migratory birds (waterfowl) with a rifle.

    My fireball pistol has take many ground hogs at 300-350.

    It also has won me lots of money. I have bet many local deer hunters that I can shoot a smaller group at 300 yards with my pistol than they can shoot with their deer rifle. There have been many rifle shooters scratching their heads
    at the end of the day.

    Nat Lambeth
     

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