1000 yd cartriges

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  1. maddysdad

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    why do you think that the swing to the 6 mm dasher type case are being used as compared to the big magnum cases of 10 to 20 years ago?would not the velocity of the big case be betterover what the dash does?
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  2. savagedasher

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    Accuracy will normal Win.
     
  3. bsumoba

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    A 6 Dasher won our local 3x600 match today. A 284 Shehane won the 3x1000 on Saturday.

    Accuracy and wind reading skills wins matches.

    The 6mm cartridges are easy to shoot and most are easy to tune, and deadly accurate! The 6 Dasher is probably the cartridge that rules the 6mm class if they are shooting F-Open. You will also see some 6BRX as well as some other wildcats. The 6 dasher shoots extremely well even as a fireforming load...case in point, today's match where Bob (killshot) shot a 599-41X at the 3x600.

    The 6.5mm cartridges like the 6.5x284 or the 260AI are also popular, but it seems that if you are going to run one of these, you might as well go to the 7mm.

    The 7mm cartridges are more of a balance and compromise of accuracy and ease of shooting and wind bucking capabilities. This is why so many guys go to this. The 284 Shehane, 7 SAUM, 7-300WSM, 7-270WSM, Straight 824, and the 7mm Walker are all VERY popular. Some are easier to tune than others, but by in large, it is touted as the most balanced cartridge for F-Open.

    The 30 cal cartridges buck the wind the best, but you will need motrin to shoot the thing and managing the recoil during firing has been often talked about on this forum, specifically for the 300 WSM. But, if you can learn how to shoot it and the wind blows, you will have an advantage typically.
     
  4. RDavies

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    My theory is this.
    In F Class where shots are slower paced and wind bucking is more important due to wind changes being greater during the longer wait between shots while you wait for targets to be pulled.
    As you have to wait for your target to be pulled, you get time to eject, load and set the rifle up to aim again. Getting 5 shots away in 20 seconds is not needed.

    In 1000yd (or 600yd) BR light gun, shooting blind, the shooters find more benefit in getting all of their shots with a SLIGHTLY more accurate cartridge, down range in one condition in 20 seconds flat than they would with a bigger cartridge with slightly better wind bucking. It is not just a question of less recoil with the Dasher type cartridges, but also easier extraction and slightly lass bolt throw causing less rifle upset with the light 17lb guns when you are trying to get the shots down in a hurry.

    In heavy gun, 300 WSMs are more popular than in F class as the recoil is not an issue with a 60lb gun, while the big guns can make the most of a 300WSMs accuracy. As they have to fire 10 shots, they can benefit from better wind bucking as they are getting shots down for longer. With the big actions and long bolt handles, they can muscle the big cases in and out with more of a reef from the shooter, without the guns moving around in their bags due to the 60lb weight.
     
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  5. swampthang

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    very well put.
    my 1000 yd light gun is a 6.5 creedmoor and my heavy gun is 300 wsm .with the big 210 vld it bucks the wind very very well .but for me another HUGE REASON i dont care for a dasher is barrell life, theyre worse than a 6.5x284, but in good wind conditions they are definatley a handfull to compete against- they shoot well.
     
  6. Terry

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    I have shot Dashers for years and never considered them hard on barrels.
     
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  7. daniel brothers

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    does anyone have an example of wind drift for the dasher vs the 300 wsm... is the difference minor or major
     
  8. dantiff2

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    The dasher definitely gives up ground at 1000 yds. While the small BR sized cartridge is a blast to shoot and super accurate and easy to tune, anyone who shoots this at long range is just making things more difficult on themselves. While bullet drop is not important (because it's easy to adjust for), you really need the edge in wind drift. That's where the extra case capacity comes into play. A 243 AI can compete with the bigger 30's in that game. Get a 105 target hybrid at 3200-3300 fps and you will be within inches of a 215-220 gr 30 cal. at 1000yds.
     
  9. Joe Salt

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    dantiff I for one like the 300 WSM and I don't mind recoil in my light gun so this year I'll be working on getting the 230 Bergers shooting at 1000 yards, I think with them pointed like I do with the 210 VLD's.i should do well. But I do have to say those little pea shooters, What I call the 6 Dasher, have kicked my butt but this year I may get LUCKY.

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  10. dkhunt14

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    If you look at 1000 yard BR the records are all broke with a 6MM Dasher and 300 WSM. They hold almost all the records for group, score and aggregates. Guys tried the 243 AI and the dashers constantly outshot them. The big cartridges like the 6.5-300, 7-300, 30-378 and a lot of others that shoot high velocity have disappeared. The cartridges like the 300 WSM that shoot a 210 at 2800 to 2850 just plain down outshoot the bigger ones. In benchrest group counts as much as score. It seems the cartridges that shoot at 3100 FPS plus just don't shoot as accurate as the 6 Dasher and 300 WSM. Lots of guns showed up over the years and many a guy thinks that if a cartridge is faster it has to be better. It is not the case when it comes to accuracy. It might help some on score but it doesn't help groups. Matt
     
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  11. daniel brothers

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    I need to try my 22-243 AI...... 90 vld bergers....... 3400 fps..... at 1000 yds to see what it will do out of curiosity... NOT competition... because it will shoot 1/2 moa

    Tom... 1.5 moa is a major difference...thanks....dan
     
  12. dkhunt14

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    Gary you live within a reasonable distance of the Original PA 1000 yard Club. All you have to do is drive up there and see a shoot. Talk to the guys, ask questions, and see the guns and the targets they shoot. Light guns on Saturdays and Heavy guns on Sundays. The shooters can answer a lot of your questions. Matt
     
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  13. swampthang

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    i dont know what your expectations are but the 1000 yd ibs shooters i shoot with across the country say that pushing the little berger 107 at 3100fps they cant get over 1100 rounds without setting the barrell back and some say they are toast at 800 rounds. the main reason i went with a 300wsm in my heavy gun. this is 2nd hand information based on the owners of the 6 dashers. but they still cant stand up to a big 210 berger properly tuned when the winds kick up- been there done that . but they will shoot in calm conditions. i cant afford a barrell every yr as much as i shoot so i went with the 300wsm. if theres any proof different i would love to see it . no harm intended .i am interested in a dasher if they werent so bad.
     
  14. savagedasher

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    Both my Dashers Stop shooting their normal 1/4 to 3/8 at 3500 rounds. 2 of my friend 300 WSM made 12 to 15 hundred Rounds. I don't where the information on a Dasher came from . Larry
     
  15. savagedasher

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    Tom try H4350 it will last far longer. Larry
     
  16. dkhunt14

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    I believe what you have here is the fact that most BR guys run 10 shots in 6 minutes and most of them are probably in the last couple of minutes. Then they dump 10 records down a barrel in as little as 30 seconds or less. That is hard on throats. I have had dashers go quick and had some really last. I shoot a lot of WSM and never had one go over 1100 rounds till I seen groups open up. I also saw Mark King shoot 2000 shots through a Dasher. I think it depends on barrel and the rate of which they are fired. Matt
     
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  17. Kurt Blasser

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    Thinking of adding an F open rifle to my FTR guns, for 600 and 1000 yards. What recommendations for caliber?
     
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    Straight 284
     
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  19. Rancher Mike

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    Can the 6br compete with the dasher and bra at 600 yards?
     
  20. RDA72927

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    Yes, The parent is still a great cartridge. Remember, The Indian is as important as the bow and arrow...
     
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