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Offline hoghunter

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17-204
« on: 07:12 PM, 08/01/11 »
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  • anyone shooting a 17-204? Need loading data if ya!ll have any thanks


    Offline maxscm

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    « Reply #1 on: 09:08 PM, 08/01/11 »
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  • You may check on     www.saubier.com   site for that info,,
    awesome caliber!

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    « Reply #2 on: 04:18 PM, 08/05/11 »
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  • You just invented the 17 Remington.
    Catfish


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    « Reply #3 on: 06:28 PM, 08/05/11 »
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  • Sorry I  posted incorrect info.

    Hal
    « Last Edit: 12:53 PM, 08/06/11 by Hal »

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    « Reply #4 on: 09:07 PM, 08/05/11 »
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  • Hal--Not trying to be argumentative, but I have always been led to believe that the .17 Remington casing was based on the old .222 Remington magnum and the .204 Ruger casing is based on that same .222 Remington magnum casing as well.  If you try to form a .17 Remington casing out of a .223 casing it will be shorter than the factory .17 Remington casings.  Check it out at this link:

    http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1862456/1
    L8R--Silverfox

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    « Reply #5 on: 12:52 PM, 08/06/11 »
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  • Silverfox

    Your correct, my mistake. Thanks for catching that.

    Hal





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    « Reply #6 on: 05:18 AM, 08/13/11 »
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  • Wow. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Remingtons, Hal.

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    « Reply #7 on: 02:39 AM, 08/14/11 »
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  • Todd Kindler's 17 VLR (17-223 Imp) perhaps would be a good starting point for data for this cartridge (17-204).

    I load for both the 17 Rem and 17-222 Mag. and can assure you they are not the same cartridge, as the 17 Rem. has less capacity, a longer neck and shorter case length, but as noted in the link the 17 Rem. is longer than the 223 case.

    They may seem miniscule to the eye, but when max loads are approached the 17-222 Mag bests the 17 Rem. by 100-200 fps..

    A 17-204 would get a smidge more if throating were similar.

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    « Reply #8 on: 06:12 PM, 08/14/11 »
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  • I have never loaded for a 17 -222 mag, or a 17 mag. as they were know back in the day. I have had and loaded for the 17 MK1V, 17 Rem., the 17-223 and the 17 AH. I have also formed alot of 17 Rem. brass from 222 mag. brass. I think my favorite of the bunch is the 17 AH. While the smallest 17 case I have loaded, it will still push a 19 gr. Calhoon bullet to 3,600 fps. and has a max point blank range of around 290 yrds., all on 10 .4 grs. of powder and a carbine lenth barrel. Don`t sell any of the 17`s short.
    Catfish

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    « Reply #9 on: 06:55 PM, 08/14/11 »
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  • HOGHUNTER: I own a 17 Mag (mfg designation) built on full length 222 mag case....I use 748 Win powder because it meters better, gives high velocity,and very accurate.
    24 gr gives 4000 fps+ but is not where to start....That load is too hot to use if you value your rifle and personal appendages..23 grains give 3900 fps and will kill Florida deer with 1 shot just behind the shoulder...Also does not tear turkeys apart...Builder was Brown out of Texas...Sako small action Unknown barrel sub sporter size like a pencil barrel nice blond stock.....Lasst time out my daughters first deer hunt...
    we filled three doe tags for a friend with three shots.....LT
    Patti L Taylor

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    « Reply #10 on: 07:33 PM, 08/14/11 »
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  • HawkI--
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    I load for both the 17 Rem and 17-222 Mag. and can assure you they are not the same cartridge, as the 17 Rem. has less capacity, a longer neck and shorter case length, but as noted in the link the 17 Rem. is longer than the 223 case.

    I don't believe anyone stated that the .17 Remington casing and the .222 Remington Magnum casing were "the same cartridge."  I said that the .222 Remington Magnum casing was the parent casing of the .17 Remington casing and also the parent casing of the .204 Ruger casing. 

    Here's a series of photos I took while forming WW .204 Ruger brass down to .17 Remington.

    First, I used a .17 Remington body die and ran the casings up into the die just enough to size the necks down a bit.  A WW .204 Ruger casing is on the left side of every one of these photos for comparison:



    Step #2:  I ran the casings up into my .17 Remington #1 form die:



    Step #3:  I ran the casings into my .17 Remington trim die:



    Step #4:  Trim the brass to a length longer than max SAAMI length—I was trimming it to 1.810" to 1.815", but in the future I will trim the brass to 1.83" to 1.835", because when I fire formed the brass many of the casings wound up slightly shorter than the trim-to length of 1.786".

    The 5th step was to run the casings into my .17 Remington full length die:



    These casings have slightly less volume than factory .17 Remington casings and as a result require lighter weight powder charges than maximum listed loads for factory .17 Remington casings--way less powder.

    I just remembered I also formed some .222 Reington Magnum casings down to .17 Remington.  You can see the transformation from .222 Rem Mag to .17 Remington in this photo below.   The .222 Rem Mag casing is on the right and the formed .17 Rem casing is on the left-hand side of the photo:



    [Edited to add the .222 Rem Mag to .17 Remington photo at 12:35 p.m. on 8/15/2011.]
    « Last Edit: 12:38 PM, 08/15/11 by Silverfox »
    L8R--Silverfox

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    « Reply #11 on: 08:42 PM, 08/15/11 »
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  • Silverfox,

    I believe Catfish told the gent that he just had "just invented the 17 Remington"; no harm done, just clarifying.



    Left to right the 17FB, 17 Rem., 17-222 Mag and 222 Mag.

    Using 204 cases proved to be much less a chore for 17-222 Mag cases; a 17-204 would be a snap with bushing dies.

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    « Reply #12 on: 08:28 AM, 08/17/11 »
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  • Curious, why you would spend that much time forming 17 Rem brass from 204 cases when you can buy 17 Rem brass new? Isn't that why too much time at the loading bench?

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    « Reply #13 on: 02:40 PM, 08/17/11 »
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  • 300meter- 
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    Curious, why you would spend that much time forming 17 Rem brass from 204 cases when you can buy 17 Rem brass new? Isn't that why too much time at the loading bench?

    I bought my first .17 Remington back in the early 1980s and acquired a large quantity of .17 Remington brass over the years, maybe in the area of 1,500 to 2,000 casings.  A few years ago, I built a .17 Remington with a .1945" neck.  The brass has to be turned so the neck wall thickness is .0095".  I had quite a number of .17 Remington casings that did not have neck walls that measured >=.0095!!!  I have a great big box of culls from that brass that measure <.1945" in neck wall thickness.  I bought a brand new bag of .17 Remington brass and it had 101 casings in it.  ONLY ONE OF THOSE CASINGS HAD NECK WALLS >=.0095" all the way around!!!  Crappy quality control in my opinion.  I corresponded with Remington and they said the measurements I was getting were well within their acceptable specifications!!!  Right then and there I decided that the next .17 Remington I built would NOT be using .17 Remington brass!!!

    Yes, I spent a lot of time at the loading bench, BUT I DON'T THINK I SPENT TOO MUCH TIME there.  I wanted quality brass to make high-quality loaded rounds. 

    I finally got around to collecting enough money to build a .17 Remington on a Stiller Predator repeater action in December of 2009.  I wanted quality brass, not junk brass.  I wanted the brass to have neck walls thick enough so I could turn them down to .0125" in thickness.  That last bag of factory Remington brass just wasn’t up to the quality standards for my new build and the old brass I had on hand wasn’t much better.  Since the .222 Remington Magnum casings are the parent casing for both the .204 Ruger and the .17 Remington, I decided to use WW .204 Ruger brass and form it down to use in my .17 Remington.  Yes, it was a bunch of work, but after the forming, annealing, neck turning, etc., I had brass that I could be proud of that was worthy to be used in my Predator action.  I had Dave Kiff at Pacific Tool & Gauge build a chamber reamer with a .201" neck.  Loaded rounds measure .197" in diameter at the neck with most bullets.

    That's my loooooong winded story and I'm sticking to it!!!
    L8R--Silverfox

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    « Reply #14 on: 05:31 PM, 08/18/11 »
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  • Sounds like you are doing a first class job. I suspected you weren't satisfied with the Remington quality. Keep us posted on how everything works out.

     

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