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Help on 22-284 needed
« on: 12:33 PM, 03/13/09 »
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  • Hi All-

    I'm pretty new around here, I made a 'hello world' intro a few months ago and I'm looking for some info now on powders for a 22-284.  I tried searching for '22x284 22-284' etc and the search engine told me that was too common, I gave up after sifting through the 6th page of threads.

    I'm building one on a spare k98 that I have sitting around and decided a super fast 22 was the next thing I was going to do while I finished up the design for another toy.

    I've seen very little on loading data or starting loads for a 22-284 and I could use some help on powders and starting loads to take a look at and try to work up from there.  

    Thanks,
    Josh
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    « Reply #1 on: 01:32 PM, 03/13/09 »
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  • So your going to build a barrel burner huh  :D
    To appreciate all it will do you'll need a fast twist in the 1 in 8 range...
    80 grain SMK's are the bullet to use... .020 off is where they usually do best...
    RL 25 is a good powder or any of the slower burners...
    50 grains will get you started, and go from there....
    215 Mag Federals will help also...
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    « Reply #2 on: 01:41 PM, 03/13/09 »
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  • Preacher, thanks for the info.

    Is the Fed primer the key or the mag primer?  I have about 10k CCI 250's on my shelf, I don't particularly want to go hunt out another brand of primer just for 1 caliber.  Although, a single pack of 1000 would roast out the barrel wouldn't it?  :lol:

    Thanks for the help on the powder too, I'm going to the Valley Forge Gun Show tonight, I'll try to pick up a pound of one of them tonight.

    Will a Berger 75 VLD take the velocity?  I have a box of them that my dad doesn't like for his 22-250, it would be nice to use up the free components I have fireforming the brass.  

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    « Reply #3 on: 02:47 PM, 03/13/09 »
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  • The fed is hot but if you have the 250's use em up.. it sure won't hurt anything..
    Depends on how long ago the bergers were made, the thin jackets will come unglued at those velocities, but may be OK for fireforming..
    H-1000 is another good powder from what I've heard...
    I toasted my 22/6mm Ackley in less than 800 rounds 'O)
    I still have a 22/284 but havn't done much with this one yet, picked it up in a 40X with a unfired Lilja 30 inch barrel on it, it's still in the safe for now... been building a 7 mm SAUM Ackley to play with varmints this year...
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    « Reply #4 on: 01:23 PM, 04/27/09 »
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  • So I haven't made any motion on this build because right about this time I stumbled across a killer deal on a 204 Ruger in a Savage 12.

    I haven't cut it off the list yet, but since I own the reamer and my dad is a velocity nut somewhat, I have 2 things I want to accomplish with a 22x284

    1) 75-90 grain 22's in a 1:8 twist
    2) I already have a spare 1:14 twist bull barrel, for the sake of the work involved with fitting a second barrel, does anyone have an idea about pushing a 40 Vmax or 50 Vmax as fast as possible with this slow twist barrel to see if I can crack past the 4300 mark?  

    The biggest holdup to this caliber is that dies and brass are hugely expensive, dies alone are 100 bucks and that doesn't include a neck sizer.

    I have 1 barrel already and the action and a stock it will fit in for now, feeding it is the thing stopping chips from flying.

    Anyone happen to have some laying around that they want to sell off?  I know, it's a long shot, but still.
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    « Reply #5 on: 10:10 AM, 04/28/09 »
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  • I kinda doubt those light weight max's will hold together at the speeds they'll be moving at........
    I still have my 22/284 in the safe, but could lend you my Neil Jones dies for it just to get it running.
    I have my 7mm SAUM AI about ready to shoot and won't have the time to play with the 22/284 for a while... and have been thinking of selling the Lilja barrel and dies...
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    « Reply #6 on: 10:20 AM, 04/28/09 »
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  • Preacher-  

    That's a nice offer, I very well may take you up on it in a little while.  I'm refinishing my k98 based 30-06 and that's my current project for upcoming fall season, thanks for the help and offer.  I should have it ready to send off for blue in about 2 weeks, after that I would like to start truing the action for the 22x284.

    If you sell of the barrel and dies, do you have any brass that is going too?
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    « Reply #7 on: 11:53 AM, 04/28/09 »
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  • Yes a few, I believe I have 25 cases ready to go that have been turned and necked down to fit, and another 25 waiting in the wings....
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    « Reply #8 on: 09:48 PM, 04/28/09 »
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  • Just for conversation........

    My 14 twist 22-243 would do 4600 with 40 grain Ballistic Tips and still hold together just fine. A 14 twist 22-284 will do better with it's larger capacity.
    Won't quite beat the record for shortest barrel life..........

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    « Reply #9 on: 04:16 PM, 04/29/09 »
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  • 40's @ 4600 huh?  Yowza...

    I have a 1:14 that was earmarked for another project.  At 66 bucks for a barrel that's not a big sacrifice to look for 4800 :)
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    « Reply #10 on: 10:23 PM, 04/29/09 »
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  • Dear Mr BoehmR,  Let me get this right!! You do not want to buy other types of primers for this 22-284 rifle and you say that the dies are extremely expensive.  Well, my Friend, that is the cost of building a super smoker.  If you think that these costs are expensive, just wait until you start to rebarreling your rifle after you shoot out that barrel with velocities of 4300 to 4600,!!) fps.  So you are going to invest in a good barrel which will cost you about $280.00 have it chambered, crowned, headspaced, and installed for about an additional $200.00 and you are going to burn out this barrel after about 700 to 900 rounds?  Just some food for thought!  Also, think about the reason why there is not that much information about reloading this caliber.  That is probably because other people have tried it and they did not care for what they got!

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    « Reply #11 on: 11:45 PM, 04/29/09 »
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  • 1)  Primers are near-on impossible to find right now, I wanted to know if it was possible to start with what I already had.

    2)  A second barrel just to catch the max velocity would not be a 300 dollar barrel, I'd put a 65 dollar A&B on it.  

    3)  Installation, crowning, headspace, etc etc is also just my time.  I'm actually building the rifle on my tools with my reamer and my support equipment.

    4)  It's a curiosity toy that might see a total of 2000 rounds anyway, the action is effectively free, and if it's an albatross for any of a number of reasons then I've only wasted 3' of a barrel that's already 26' long and my time.  I'll put it back on something else or just build a 22-250

    So back to complaining about expensive dies, if I decide I don't like it and I want to move on to another tinkering toy I haven't bought a 150 bucks in dies, I can give the brass to the kind people who offered me help in this curious experiment and say 'yes I did it, it wasn't all it was cracked up to be.'

    Total cost to me is parts and some thank you's to people who showed me some favors with dies and information, brass, etc.

    Total cost to pay someone else to do all the work means that I wouldn't be building this rifle.  In fact, most of the 'smithed up toys that I have would not be mine either.  That's what's nice about doing your own work from the ground up.
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    « Reply #12 on: 12:31 AM, 05/02/09 »
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  • I have a set of RCBS dies. The FL sizer needs a decap rod, but I'll take $35.00 for 'em.
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    « Reply #13 on: 01:09 PM, 05/02/09 »
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  • medicineman, you have a PM.
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    « Reply #14 on: 01:22 PM, 05/11/09 »
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  • I had a bit of a realization at the range this weekend.

    I have some 284 Win brass that I had necked up to 30 cal and used with no other changes to shoot in my k31.  I also have about 800 new cases of real 7.5 Swiss cases from Grafs.  The only difference from measuring the outside of the cases quickly was that the 7.5x55 uses a 503 base and we all know the 284 is a 473 rebated rim.

    Anyone ever tried to turn the rim back a little to the 473 base and make 284 cases from 7.5x55 Swiss?  

    I have more than a lifetime of brass for the k31 considering how much I shoot it, this would solve my issue that I wanted to avoid buying expensive-*** 22x284 Brass
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